Jabber Webteam - Sunday, 27 April 2008

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[08:30:27] <someoneelse> hi
[08:30:38] <someoneelse> mattj redirected me to this room...
[08:31:16] <someoneelse> an idea regarding the client listing on jabber.org
[08:31:49] <someoneelse> would it be possible to add a feature comparison table and/or add real supports/doesn't support lists to the clients' pages?
[08:32:07] <someoneelse> the current listing of supported features doesn't make it easy to compare clients
[08:32:48] <someoneelse> some sort of green tick for "supported" and red cross for "unsupported" would be better
[08:33:16] <someoneelse> instead of only red ticks in a more or less random (?) list of supported features
[09:26:14] <mray> your concern is right.
[09:26:31] <mray> the current state of the client lists and the presentation of the clients is far from perfect.
[09:26:50] <someoneelse> :)
[09:27:08] <mray> i'm working on a newer version of the theme that hopefully will implement a more clever drupal integration.
[09:27:35] <mray> because currently this is only a bad hack - and does not really work perfect since we changed some stuff in the underlying datastructure
[09:27:53] <mray> mattj offered his help on hacking drupal.
[09:28:17] <mray> the current theme is entirely my work - and i'm actually a bad coder
[09:28:22] <someoneelse> ^^
[09:28:45] <mray> just in case you are interested in php hacking and drupal - you're always welcome ;)
[09:29:10] <someoneelse> hehe
[09:29:13] mray knows that is always the answer when you post complaints in free software projects ;)
[09:29:29] <mray> i know i'm boring - but maybe i'm lucky and you're THE guy ;)
[09:29:35] <someoneelse> no time and nearly no php experience, sorry...
[09:29:40] <mray> same here! :D
[09:29:48] <someoneelse> XD
[09:29:55] <mray> but you're right about your coplaint.
[09:31:59] <someoneelse> well, if you've got too much spare time... ;)
[09:32:03] <someoneelse> something else:
[09:32:17] <mray> i don't ! that's why it is still "broken" :D
[09:32:21] <someoneelse> where did the old FAQ go? is it still available somewhere?
[09:32:40] <someoneelse> (the one that included the "how to unregister" etc.
[09:32:42] <someoneelse> )
[09:32:51] <mray> i thin stpeter has the old version online somewhere - but don't ask me where...
[09:34:56] <someoneelse> would be great if someone could add that back...
[09:38:15] <someoneelse> especially that one: http://www.jabber.org/what-is-jabber#removeaccount
[09:38:25] <someoneelse> which was
[09:38:29] <someoneelse> 19. How can I remove my account from a Jabber server?
You can remove your account by logging into your Jabber account (the example below assumes your account is on jabber.org) and then sending the following XML (using the "XML Debug" or "Raw XML" feature of a Jabber client such as Exodus, Gabber, or Jarl):
<iq type='set' to='jabber.org'>
<query xmlns='jabber:iq:register'>
<remove/>
</query>
</iq>
Alternatively, you can ask a server administrator to do this for you.
[09:39:04] <someoneelse> because that's one of the reason that makes jabber really superior to icq etc. (imo)
[09:39:20] <mray> i would rather reccomend to use a client that offers a gui for that.
[09:39:46] <someoneelse> is there one?
[09:39:51] <mray> well if you already know what a XML console is used for - there shoudl certainly be a place where you can lookup such unsefull features.
[09:40:14] <mray> i think Psi for example, and Gajim offer to "REALLY!! REMOVE!!" the account.
[09:40:21] <someoneelse> ^^
[09:40:28] <someoneelse> didn't find it in psi at the moment
[09:40:42] <someoneelse> maybe it asks when you delete the account locally
[09:40:49] <someoneelse> don't want to try :P
[09:41:02] <mray> i think it is offered right away with the normal "remove" account - you just have to set an additional setting
[09:41:09] <someoneelse> here's the same snippet: http://jabberd.org/1.4/doc/adminfaq#removeaccount
[09:41:26] <mray> you better toy around with that stuff with testacounts - that's for sure :)
[09:41:44] <someoneelse> but befor i registered, i searched through the faq if you could un-register again
[09:41:50] <someoneelse> +e
[09:41:56] <mray> maybe there should be a certain area with "useful XML snippets" ?
[09:42:01] <someoneelse> so it would be nice if the faq at least hinted at the possibility
[09:42:13] <someoneelse> yes, why not...
[09:42:19] mray never messed with the XML conosle
[09:42:28] <mray> i think it is usefull for developers.
[09:42:37] someoneelse did a test-account-deletion :)
[09:42:49] <mray> did it work that way?
[09:42:53] <someoneelse> and watched the xml traffic a bit :)
[09:42:56] <someoneelse> yes, it did
[09:43:00] <mray> sniffer! :D
[09:43:06] <someoneelse> :P
[09:44:01] <someoneelse> it's psi's local console :P
[09:45:05] <someoneelse> quite interesting
[09:45:26] <someoneelse> and you can have a direct look at all the xml overhead...
[09:45:27] <someoneelse> ^^
[09:47:22] <someoneelse> looks like psi offers complete account deletion: https://web.swissjabber.ch/index.php/Remove_account
[09:47:38] <someoneelse> some hint in the faq would be nice though nevertheless
[09:48:36] <mray> well, feel free to get in contact with the jabberd people ^^
[09:52:41] <someoneelse> jabberd people?
[09:52:49] <someoneelse> no, i meant on http://www.jabber.org/faq
[09:53:42] <mray> what exactly would you like to see added?
[09:53:59] <someoneelse> sort of "Is it possible to remove a jabber account again? - Yes, this is possible. Please refer to your client's doumentation for more information. If your client does not support account deletion, you may try this xml snippet: ..."
[09:55:21] <someoneelse> maybe add a bit explanation regarding how to use the snippet
[09:55:24] <mray> what snippet would that be?
[09:55:34] <someoneelse> the one i pasted above
[09:55:47] <someoneelse> shall i paste it again?
[09:55:58] <someoneelse> i don't know if it still works
[09:56:00] <mray> its formatting looks ugly -
[09:56:06] <someoneelse> hehe
[09:56:20] <someoneelse> html escaping...
[09:57:15] <mray> can you search for a snippet that works 100% and is formatted right?
[09:57:25] <mray> in that case i can just add the new FAQ entry :)
[09:57:35] <someoneelse> 19. How can I remove my account from a Jabber server?
You can remove your account by logging into your Jabber account (the example below assumes your account is on jabber.org) and then sending the following XML (using the "XML Debug" or "Raw XML" feature of a Jabber client such as Exodus, Gabber, or Jarl):
<iq type='set' to='jabber.org'>
<query xmlns='jabber:iq:register'>
<remove/>
</query>
</iq>
Alternatively, you can ask a server administrator to do this for you.
[09:57:44] <someoneelse> will aks in jabber@conference...
[09:57:52] <someoneelse> if it still works
[09:58:15] <someoneelse> *ask
[10:01:46] <mray> *grrr*
[10:01:57] <mray> how do i teach drupal not to swallow the XML code?!
[10:04:19] <someoneelse> hehe
[10:04:28] <someoneelse> maybe using the escaped version
[10:04:35] <someoneelse> i.e. the < instead of < etc.
[10:04:52] <someoneelse> hm...
[10:05:19] <mray> http://www.jabber.org/node/434
[10:05:26] <mray> i think that did it.
[10:05:43] <someoneelse> :)
[10:05:52] <someoneelse> can you unpublish stuff in drupal?
[10:05:58] <mray> yes
[10:06:17] <someoneelse> (no one answered yet on jabber@conference.jabber.org)
[10:10:11] <someoneelse> added a bit of text:
[10:10:14] <someoneelse> You can remove your account by using your Jabber client's "Remove account" feature (please refer to your client's documentation for more information). If your client doesn't offer such functionality, you can try logging into your Jabber account (the example below assumes your account is on jabber.org) and then sending the following XML (using the "XML Debug", "XML Console", or "Raw XML" feature of a Jabber client such as Exodus, Gabber, or Jarl):
[10:20:49] <mray> ah ok.
[10:20:56] <mray> i'll update it...
[10:21:22] <someoneelse> though it doesn't look like there's really helpful client documentation for this feature -.-
[10:21:35] <someoneelse> (searched for psi and pidgin)
[10:21:58] mray shrugs.
[10:22:10] <mray> jabber wasn't build to undo itself!!!1!1! :D
[10:22:24] <someoneelse> the closest is http://psi-im.org/wiki/Account_Management
[10:22:26] <someoneelse> XD
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[10:23:40] <MattJ> Boo
[10:23:52] <someoneelse> ^^
[10:23:53] <someoneelse> hi
[10:23:55] <mray> Joo
[10:23:57] <mray> hi :)
[10:25:01] <someoneelse> mattj us for adding and said it's correct
[10:25:05] <someoneelse> *is
[10:25:34] <someoneelse> (though it might not work temporarily because account registration is disabled on jabber.org atm)
[10:25:50] <someoneelse> MattJ: pleas correct me if there's something wrong ;)
[10:25:53] <someoneelse> +e
[10:26:06] <MattJ> I was typing exactly what you just said :)
[10:27:16] <someoneelse> hm... xep idea: post to multiple chat rooms...
[10:27:20] <mray> someoneelse, why don't you register at jabber.org and take care of maintainig a few FAQs? :)
[10:27:38] <someoneelse> er...
[10:27:47] <someoneelse> i'm just a jabber user
[10:27:49] <someoneelse> not more
[10:27:50] <mray> the current faq seems to be pretty abandoned ;)
[10:27:52] <MattJ> Great!
[10:27:53] <MattJ> :P
[10:29:33] <someoneelse> oops
[10:29:38] <someoneelse> one comma too much...
[10:29:47] <someoneelse> "XML Console", or "Raw XML"
[10:30:34] <MattJ> change it to XML console
[10:30:40] <MattJ> All the clients call it that
[10:30:43] <MattJ> now
[10:36:40] <MattJ> mray, I think I'm going to put a news item on the front page to let people know why they can't register at the moment
[10:36:50] <MattJ> It looks like it will be disabled at least until tomorrow
[10:36:56] <MattJ> (when stpeter gets back)
[10:38:07] <mray> ok go ahead!
[10:38:13] <mray> :)
[10:42:34] <someoneelse> hm... just a thought: you may want to move the link in the faq a bit further down ;)
[10:42:58] <someoneelse> first how to use jabber, and then how to leave jabber
[10:42:59] <someoneelse> :)
[10:45:57] <MattJ> lol
[10:47:10] <MattJ> mray
[10:47:18] <mray> yes?
[10:47:24] <MattJ> How on earth do I create a new news item on the front page? :P
[10:47:29] <MattJ> I told you I hate Drupal
[10:47:36] <mray> :D
[10:47:36] <MattJ> It makes things so difficult :P
[10:47:38] <mray> HAHAHAA
[10:47:45] <mray> MUAHAHAHAAAAAArrrr
[10:47:50] <mray> ok.
[10:48:04] <mray> actually i never did that, too.
[10:48:09] <mray> and since there are several ways...
[10:48:10] <MattJ> xD
[10:48:14] <mray> let me have a look.
[10:49:06] <mray> ah ok.
[10:49:20] <mray> seems like stpeter decided to post "Stories"
[10:49:48] <mray> so go to "Create Content" -> "Story"
[10:50:01] <mray> that should do the trick.
[10:50:16] <MattJ> and just submitting that will add it to the front page?
[10:50:21] <mray> yes
[10:50:26] <mray> isn't that wonderful?
[10:50:36] <MattJ> I don't trust it
[10:50:39] <MattJ> Bit here goes :)
[10:50:40] <MattJ> *But
[10:50:44] <mray> you can even decide about that under "publishing Otions"
[10:50:54] <MattJ> Aha
[10:51:40] <mray> afair you have almost all right right?
[10:51:46] <mray> *rights
[10:52:15] <MattJ> I believe so
[10:52:19] <MattJ> I will find out in a minute :)
[10:52:30] <mray> ^^
[10:52:53] <mray> inform me when your newborn news "story" has seen the light!
[10:53:10] <mray> for it will be a day remembered for generations in the Matthews family!
[10:53:44] <mray> it will be your first stepp towards unconditional love to both: drupal AND php
[10:54:34] <MattJ> :D
[10:54:38] <MattJ> I think not
[10:54:53] <mray> that's the magical part of the story!
[10:55:11] <mray> the true belivers first have to be converted!
[11:12:07] <someoneelse> so, did you fall in love with drupal?
[11:12:08] <someoneelse> :P
[11:12:26] <someoneelse> btw: why is account registration disabled?
[11:14:21] <MattJ> Abuse
[11:14:41] <MattJ> There is a patch we need to apply, but since stpeter is away I think we are waiting for him to get back
[11:16:16] <mray> what patch?
[11:16:16] <someoneelse> oh
[11:16:36] <MattJ> A patch for ejabberd to limit registrations by IP
[11:16:42] <mray> ah ok.
[11:18:36] <someoneelse> found a broken link...
[11:18:37] <someoneelse> http://www.jabber.org/jabber-for-geeks
[11:18:55] <someoneelse> "Read the _technology overview_ and..."
[11:19:28] <someoneelse> links to http://www.jabber.org/technology-overview
[11:19:45] <someoneelse> but the page is (/seems to be) http://www.jabber.org/jabber-for-geeks/technology-overview
[11:25:32] <mray> thanks.
[11:25:46] <mray> i bet we have lots of those.
[11:25:48] <MattJ> mray, just create him an account :D
[11:25:51] mray updated it.
[11:25:53] <someoneelse> you're welcome :)
[11:25:55] <MattJ> Go on :P
[11:25:57] <someoneelse> :P
[11:26:12] <mray> someoneelse - is that your real nick?
[11:26:15] <someoneelse> no
[11:26:31] <MattJ> No
[11:26:33] <MattJ> He is someone else
[11:26:34] <someoneelse> and i don't like collection accounts :P
[11:26:39] <someoneelse> XD
[11:26:39] <mray> XD
[11:26:53] <mray> do you have an openID?
[11:26:56] <mray> ;)
[11:26:56] <someoneelse> no
[11:26:59] <mray> :P
[11:27:13] <MattJ> Mmm
[11:27:19] <MattJ> I should move my OpenID to my site
[11:28:21] <someoneelse> er... should have read collecting -.-
[11:28:24] <someoneelse> anyway
[11:29:57] <someoneelse> hm...
[11:30:10] <someoneelse> who manages the openids?
[11:30:17] <someoneelse> any central "institution"?
[11:30:27] <MattJ> Just like Jabber
[11:30:30] <mray> the server of your choice.
[11:30:32] <MattJ> Anyone can run an OpenID server
[11:30:36] <mray> you can even install an own one ;)
[11:30:43] <mray> :P
[11:30:51] <MattJ> myopenid.com is the one I use, but that was before I had a server of my own
[11:31:20] <someoneelse> hehe
[11:31:21] <someoneelse> hm..
[11:31:47] <someoneelse> should it make fairly easy to find someone's traces on the net though -> not good...
[11:31:48] <someoneelse> :/
[11:32:09] <someoneelse> (imo)
[11:32:38] <mray> well it probably isn't the very best solution you can come up with i guess.
[11:32:47] <mray> but it is better than what we have now imho.
[11:35:16] <someoneelse> hm... only one password?
[11:42:47] <mray> no, i'd rather say: you decide how many passwords, and you decide where to put them ;)
[11:54:40] <someoneelse> ah
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