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[08:54:26] <jammyhunt> hello
[08:55:16] <jammyhunt> i am creating a jabber client with c#
[08:55:36] <jammyhunt> which will login and send add request to user
[08:55:59] <jammyhunt> i am able to login using my code but unable to send add request
[08:57:02] <jammyhunt> private void button2_Click(object sender, System.EventArgs e)
{
var myxmpp = new XmppClient();
var pm = new PresenceManager(myxmpp);
Jid jid = "surve.manya@nimbuzz.com";
string reason = "new friend";
pm.Subscribe(jid, reason, "UNKNOWN");
}
[08:57:10] <jammyhunt> source for adding
[08:57:54] <jammyhunt> any help?
[09:03:47] <Alex> you have to connect your xmpp client first
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[09:04:15] <jammyhunt> i have connected using my first button
[09:04:17] <Alex> you can Subscribe to contacts only when you have a authenticated XmppSession (XmppClient)
[09:04:32] <Alex> then you have to use the xmppCLient of your first button
[09:04:40] <Alex> and not create a new one
[09:05:28] <jammyhunt> oh
[09:05:52] <jammyhunt> Jid jidsender = new Jid(jid_id);
XmppClient xmpp = new XmppClient();
xmpp.SetUsername(jidsender.User);
xmpp.SetXmppDomain(jidsender.Server);
xmpp.Password = pass;
xmpp.Status = "jam's client";
xmpp.Show = Matrix.Xmpp.Show.chat;
[09:06:00] <jammyhunt> means xmpp from here?
[09:08:59] <Alex> yes
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[09:13:39] <jammyhunt> i am unable to access xmpp in button2
[09:18:37] <Beanow_> You will need to store a reference in a good place then.
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[09:19:37] <jammyhunt> like?
[09:22:59] <Guus> jammyhunt: I noticed the nimbuzz domain in your example. Things might not work for you because federation (s2s) is not enabled
by Nimbuzz (at least, it was not when I left the company).
[09:24:14] <jammyhunt> you mean to say they have changed source for adding?
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[09:27:07] <Guus> jammyhunt: no, I am saying that you are most likely required to use a Nimbuzz account (as opposed to an account on a different
XMPP network) if you want to communicate with other users of the Nimbuzz network.
[09:27:53] <jammyhunt> i am connecting my client with nimbuzz account only
[09:28:08] <jammyhunt> and trying to add nimbuzz users
[09:28:17] <Guus> jammyhunt: ok, then disregard my warning :)
[09:29:06] <jammyhunt> k
[09:29:21] <jammyhunt> i am getting error with my code just want to clearify that
[09:33:45] <Beanow_> jammyhunt: a good place would depend on the purpose of your application. But if you are making a client that may only have
one user logged in at a time, a possible option is using a Singleton.
[09:34:15] <Beanow_> http://dofactory.com/Patterns/PatternSingleton.aspx
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[09:42:13] <jammyhunt> k let me check it
[09:46:16] <jammyhunt> not for me
[09:46:26] <jammyhunt> i want to create a add flooder
[09:46:45] <jammyhunt> in which i will login with multiple id and send request to a single user
[09:50:59] <Alex> we will not help you here to create flodding software
[09:51:48] <jammyhunt> i dont want u to help me create entire software
[09:52:00] <jammyhunt> i just want to know how to add
[09:52:41] <Beanow_> You already have the adding code. You just need to figure out how you store your class references.
[09:53:19] <Beanow_> If you need something else than a Singleton for your purpouse than that's not an XMPP question anymore but a software engineering
question.
[09:54:41] <Beanow_> Google "Software design patterns" and you'll probably find something suiting your needs.
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[10:03:35] <ralphm> jammyhunt: To make it more clear, it appears your problems are typical programming issues, not specific to XMPP. In that case,
none of the XMPP discussion venues are appropriate for your questions.
[10:07:35] <jammyhunt> hmmm
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[10:12:05] <jammyhunt> :(
[10:12:10] <jammyhunt> :D
[10:12:16] <jammyhunt> its done :P
[10:12:18] <jammyhunt> thanks all
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[10:38:52] <Lloyd> Hi all, the full schedule for our xmpp/realtime meetup in London tomorrow evening has just gone up. Would appreciate it if
you could help sread the word - http://lanyrd.com/2013/xmpp-realtime-uk-meetup/ - twitter account is @xmppuk
[10:40:34] <Beanow_> Cost anything?
[10:41:35] <Lloyd> Free + pizza + beer
[10:42:23] <Beanow_> Sounds epic, I will inform my collegue in the UK. I will have to think about going myself.
[10:42:36] <Beanow_> I'm in NL, which is around the corner. But it is a weekday.
[10:43:47] <Lloyd> We have meetups every 2 months, although next one will be start august to not interfere with the xmpp hackathon at IETF in
Berlin
[10:44:46] <Beanow_> Aaah, cool
[10:45:01] <Beanow_> What is the actual size it usually turn out to be?
[10:45:42] <Lloyd> Last time was just less than 40. I think we've got about 30 registered this time.
[10:45:49] <Lloyd> (only our second meetup)
[10:46:00] <Beanow_> Ah alright. Cool
[10:46:29] <Beanow_> I'll talk about it with my collegue, see if he / we might go.
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[11:04:00] <Kev> I really should think about what I'm going to say for that.
[11:04:25] <Kev> I have absolutely no clue at the moment, so it may be me turning up and saying "Hey, the XSF's great, go team XMPP".
[11:05:29] <Lloyd> "F*** google" ;)
[11:12:23] <ralphm> flee?
[11:19:10] <Kev> Yeah, I'm really not jumping on the demonising Google bandwagon.
[11:19:41] <Lloyd> :)
[11:20:31] <ralphm> Kev: agreed
[11:20:42] <ralphm> I still like a lot of things and hangouts are just cool
[11:21:02] <Kev> I'm largely trying to avoid discussing the situation in public at all.
[11:21:43] <Lloyd> Yep, XMPP or not hangouts are great. Exciting to see what webRTC brings to the table over the next couple of years though.
[11:24:45] <Kev> I've decided that talking about the XSF is actually really hard.
[11:24:55] <Kev> What do you decide is relevant and interesting?
[11:25:06] <Alex> The problem is that 99% of the endusers really don't know or understand that there is a standard for IM called XMPP
[11:25:19] <Kev> I'm trying desperately not to make this into a "This is an outline of XEP-0001".
[11:25:31] <Alex> I think we must bring this more to teh end users, becasue most of them nkow at least POP or SMTP
[11:25:58] <Alex> and for google its only a fight about users against Facebook, whats app, skype and the others
[11:26:18] <boothj5> As a user and programmer, I'm interested in hearing about use of XMPP other than IM
[11:26:37] <boothj5> and I'll be there
[11:26:40] <Alex> all others are closed silos, so they decided to make the same, and not help the end users to switch to another service or
3rd party software
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[11:39:00] <Kev> boothj5: Interesting, thanks.
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[11:41:47] <Lloyd> Agree with boothj5. There were some interesting talks at previous xsf summits about building management, IoT. May be crazy
ways to extend xmpp. Bare in mind Flo J will be talking about using XMPP to scale systems in realtime using XMPP.
[11:42:29] <Kev> Yeah, my talk isn't really going down that route.
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[11:46:23] <ralphm> I liked the story from that guy that used XMPP to manage smart meters
[11:46:46] <Lloyd> That's the one
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[11:52:03] <vorner> Any plans to define netconf over XMPP transport?
[11:55:24] <Tobias> netconf?
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[12:02:26] <vorner> Protocol for configuring devices and software remotely.
[12:02:43] <vorner> It's based on XML and usually is sent through ssh.
[12:02:57] <vorner> But it shouldn't be hard to wrap it up in XMPP either.
[12:03:41] <vorner> It could be easier to manage many devices at once with that, so you wouldn't have to open several ssh sessions at once.
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[12:10:40] <ralphm> vorner: that seems totally doable
[12:11:20] <ralphm> vorner: that said, usually someone interested in having such a specification (like you) simply initiates that process by writing
a proto-XEP.
[12:11:52] <vorner> One of my collegue is behind the netconf specification. I might bring it up with him.
[12:12:09] <vorner> Well, I wouldn't like to duplicate effort if someone already worked on that ;-)
[12:12:17] <ralphm> vorner: the XSF itself, the XMPP Council specifically, doesn't usually define specifications. The community does and the Council
reviews them.
[12:12:34] <ralphm> not to my knowledge in any case
[12:13:32] <vorner> Yes, I understand. It's just, I don't follow very closely on the standards mailling list. And there's always the chance someone
thinks it is so good idea to save me work writing it O:-)
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[12:18:26] <ralphm> vorner: I wonder if it ties in with the IoT (Internet of Things) effort.
[12:19:06] <Tobias> i'd imagine they'd also need to configure their Ts
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[12:22:42] <ralphm> Tobias: exactly
[12:23:34] <0xAFFE> boothj5: there is http://archipelproject.org/ for example
[12:24:53] <vorner> Well, it might. But it comes more from the networking world (routers, switches, servers, etc).
[12:24:53] <vorner> But nothing in the protocol says it should not be used to configure your microwave oven.
[12:30:23] <ralphm> routers, switches and servers are Ts, too!
[12:30:56] <ralphm> don't be a speciesist :-)
[12:32:07] <vorner> Well, you don't talk about Internet of Things when you talk about routers. Because they were there always. They make the Internet.
[12:32:51] <vorner> And configuring these is slightly different (in the (lack of) need of user-friendly interface, for example)
[12:33:14] <ralphm> hehe
[12:34:01] <ralphm> in any case we do have a special mailing list for IoT. In any case you could start out on the standards mailing list
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[12:49:22] <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk> do you folks have any suggestions / recommendations for "xmpp operation consultants"? we have a client we're doing some XMPP
gateway implementations for, and they might want to involve some people to help them scale up our solution - set up/run clusters
etc - does such a beast exist?
[12:50:43] <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk> I suppose it could be a "we would host/run this scalable xmpp thing for you" as a service, but we're looking for set-up /
operation of a scalable xmpp service somehow
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[17:58:04] <ralphm> robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk: I wish I knew of something like that and have been thinking the same thing.
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[20:45:20] <Lance> yay chat markers!
[20:45:27] <Lance> looks pretty sensible so far
[20:46:21] <Link Mauve> That could integrate pretty well with poezio’s separator.
[20:46:38] <Link Mauve> I just don’t see the use case yet.
[20:47:02] <Kev> Syncing between several clients.
[20:47:09] <Link Mauve> Oh.
[20:47:10] <Lance> also think iMessage, or the new google hangouts
[20:47:22] <Kev> You want your desktop client to know what you said on your phone, but not to mark the messages as unread.
[20:47:23] <Link Mauve> I don’t use silo IM.
[20:49:33] <Lance> the whole subscribe/unsubscribe strikes me as unnecessary. same for carbons with enable/disable. If you list support in caps
for it, the server should enable it. Don't want it? dont advertise it in caps
[20:50:07] <Kev> I wouldn't argue with that.
[20:50:14] <Zash> Mhm
[20:50:31] <Zash> Or a private PEP node
[20:50:34] <Link Mauve> I thought that when reading Carbon too.
[20:50:48] <Link Mauve> Zash, you want per-resource.
[20:50:57] <Kev> Zash: But that's another explicit and unnecessary step.
[20:51:04] <Kev> Not that I'd thought of this before Lance just mentioned it :)
[20:51:35] <Lance> we could go with feature+enabled, like we have feature+notify, but that seems a bit silly. but it would split enabled feature
from supported feature
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[20:51:54] <Zash> I meant chat markers, not carbons
[20:52:11] <Kev> Lance: +notify is interesting if you might want to signal that you support something but aren't currently using it.
[20:52:42] <Kev> Lance: Liking knowing someone is capable of setting a user tune /might/ be useful, even if they're not listening for them.
[20:52:49] <Kev> Although this is scraping the barrel.
[20:52:59] <Kev> But for carbons I don't see a use for this.
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[20:53:12] <Kev> The argument against updating caps is that it's a presence storm to enable and disable it.
[20:53:23] <Kev> So I think upon consideration the explicit step is better.
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[20:53:50] <Lance> ah, presence storms. makes sense
[20:54:46] <Lance> i think i still want it though. once less request/response to get a session up and running properly
[20:54:48] <Lance> oh well
[20:55:40] <Link Mauve> I think most clients enable it at the beginning of the session and never disable it.
[20:56:40] <MattJ> Yeah
[20:56:41] <Link Mauve> Having a presence storm at the time the user change a somewhat hidden parameter doesn’t seem like a very high price.
[20:56:46] <MattJ> s/most/all/ currently :)
[20:56:51] <Zash> bind, disco, enable and fetch stuff
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[20:58:02] <Kev> Link Mauve: But a higher price than the affected client sending a single stanza (which is effectively free).
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[21:02:31] <Link Mauve> The enable stanza solution adds a (very small) price to every connection ever, while the caps one only make the configuration
change do something, and when the user enable or disable that specific feature they are probably changing other features too,
which can result in caps change.
[21:03:48] <Lance> Link Mauve that, and presence changes a lot more anyway. idle, etc
[21:04:18] <Lance> just don't go toggling the feature on and off rapidly like a light switch
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[21:28:53] <Beanow> I will find out tomorrow if I will be attending the meetup.
[21:29:36] <Beanow> Depending on whether the new passport wil be ready tomorrow or the day after xD
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