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[16:27:03] <Guus> The various links to logs of chats on http://xmpp.org/participate/discuss-xmpp/ link to pages on which logs are available for the period 2004-2010.
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[16:27:27] <Guus> I was under the impression that I've seen more recent logs.
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[16:29:07] <Zash> Guus: Like the link in the topic? :)
[16:29:34] <Guus> D'oh!
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[16:32:36] <Guus> Which shows that it'd be handy for caffeine deprived people like myself to have those links updated. :)
[16:33:22] <Zash> Indeed, it would be great if someone with access fixed it.
[16:33:50] <psa> noted!
[16:34:25] <Guus> thanks
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[20:28:23] <dwd> Can the XSF issue a press release saying that all 50,000 XMPP domains (or however many we think there are, these days) have collectively taken the hard decision to stop federating with Google?
[20:29:49] <dwd> As reasons, we could say that Google's IM system simply wasn't designed with our use-cases in mind, and is built around the decades old HTTP protocol, which predates the cloud. Also, federation with Google turned out not to be significant.
[20:35:20] <stpeter> heh
[20:36:11] <stpeter> I'm not convinced that we need to be releasing any official statements, although personally I might blog about it
[20:37:03] <Lance> yeah, the xsf shouldn't be snarky; we can do that individually :p
[20:37:50] <Lance> but maybe some serious write up about what happened with federation would be warranted. there's still lots of confusion on twitter, etc about that
[20:45:04] <dwd> Yeah, I wasn't being altogether serious.
[20:45:10] <dwd> (Who'd have thought?)
[20:45:34] <dwd> But Lance's idea of an XSF technical note describing what's actually happening would be useful.
[20:56:17] <Kev> Does the XSF /know/ what's happening?
[20:58:53] <Lance> unfortunately, not really
[20:59:03] <Lance> outside of experimentation
[20:59:22] <Kev> I'm not an expert on this kind of thing, but I'd have thought that makes it difficult to issue a technical note on what's happening.
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[21:55:19] <Zash> Some clarity in exactly what's being changed would be great.
[21:56:24] <Zash> Confusion, speculation and conflicting info floating around.
[21:58:30] <Lance> yeah, so far from my experimentation: using an xmpp client? everything works the same as it always has, for now, but you can't join group hangouts. using the hangouts client? you can't talk to federated xmpp contacts
[22:06:16] <Zash> I got the impression that your account is 'upgraded' to hangouts if you install that, at which point you are no longer federated.
[22:07:16] <Lance> Sure, if you're on android and your gtalk app got upgraded to hangouts
[22:07:31] <Zash> Can you downgrade?
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[22:07:34] <Zash> Or are you stuck?
[22:07:42] <Lance> but if you use adium/swift/etc, but then try the hangouts ui in the g+ web app, you get what I described
[22:08:09] <Lance> i don't think its a matter of service upgrade yet, just clients
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