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[07:07:12] <Flow> Is there any XMPP specification regarding newlines and '\r\n' -> '\n' transformation. I am asking because of http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16057478/smack-library-incorrectly-filters-r-character-from-xmpp-chat-message
[07:08:50] <Kev> I expect it's not Smack, but some other part of Java.
[07:09:31] <Kev> e.g. I know that Stroke doesn't do that, but when combined with SWT it looks like it does because the SWT widgets silently
transform things.
[07:10:30] <Flow> Kev: good point. But there is no spec how newlines should be done? Isn't that something clients (and other entities) should
agree on?
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[07:43:07] <Beanow_> Hmmm, /Beanow in this room has been stuck since a power outage the other night. 409 Conflicts. Can you kick it maybe?
[07:46:06] <Beanow_> Also, any idea if there is a fix in the works for this problem? Since I believe more hobby servers like mine would have the
problem :P
[07:46:15] <Kev> Only if you join with the same JID so I can see it's you.
[07:46:39] <Beanow_> How do I do that? It gives me a 409.
[07:46:44] <Beanow_> Oh wait,
[07:46:48] <Kev> Yeah, it's an issue where your server doesn't support the routing rules in RFC6121. If it does, the ghost gets kicked when
the room tries to send a message to it.
[07:47:03] <Kev> Upgrading your server should stop it happening.
[07:47:04] <Beanow_> Hmm,
[07:47:39] <Beanow_> You're referring to my real JID right? I have 2 so I might not have joined with the same one.
[07:47:58] <Kev> I am.
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[07:48:11] <Kev> If you join with the same one, I can see that you're you and kick the other you.
[07:48:23] <Beanow__> It could have been this one?
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[07:48:56] <Beanow_> Cool, thanks
[07:49:13] <Kev> NP.
[07:49:36] <Beanow_> I forgot authenticating with XMPP is so easy :P
[07:51:07] <Beanow_> Which chapter of the RFC did you mean?
[07:52:35] <Kev> I stand corrected, 8.5.3.2.1 says you can ignore it.
[07:52:44] <Kev> I was sure we'd changed that, ignoring it's really unhelpful.
[07:53:49] <Kev> In any case, you'll continue having problems with ghosts unless you run a server that bounces groupchat messages to a non-existed
full-JID.
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[07:54:27] <Kev> *non-existent.
[07:54:45] <Beanow_> Oh then I think the problem is, the resource probably exists. Since I used static resource names for my client.
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[07:57:25] <Beanow_> I'm using ejabberd.
[07:57:46] <Beanow_> But perhaps I should randomize my resources clientside for this reason.
[07:58:20] <Kev> You don't need to randomise it in the client, if you just don't request a fixed resource the server will generate a random
one for you.
[08:00:29] <Beanow_> Yeah, indeed it does. But in my head it was on the client because I do request a fixed one and don't want to disable that
feature on the server yet xD
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[08:01:59] <Beanow_> Letting the server randomize for you is indeed better.
[08:02:34] <Beanow_> If only for the part there servers generally have more throughput to get /dev/random data. :P
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[08:07:12] <Beanow_> I wonder if Google will open up Whatsapp to the XMPP network at large.
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[08:12:04] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> Did google buy whatsapp?
[08:12:36] <Beanow_> Ah, no my mistake. I thought they did but it stayed at rumours and was denied by whatsapp.
[08:13:28] <Beanow_> But denying while negotiating is not uncommon. So maybe still.
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[08:14:09] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> Google are working on a new unified messaging platform. Hopefully it'll remain xmpp-based
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[08:14:46] <Beanow_> This babble thing.
[08:15:28] <Beanow_> Gtalk, voice and video are already being done/negotiated over XMPP. I would suspect they keep using it.
[08:16:55] <Beanow_> Not sure what they use for hangouts.
[08:21:46] <Beanow_> Ouch.
"Google’s recent decision to block non-native XMPP requests is the first step towards building their own closed communications
platform. In order to use Google’s chat service, especially the new Babble service, you’ll need to be using it the way Google
wants you to use it. That’s not going to sit well with many users at first, but the quality and performance of the service
will be more than enough to make most users happy."
http://www.geek.com/android/google-expected-to-unify-chat-under-the-name-babble-1543151/
[08:21:56] <Kanchil> Beanow_: http://www.geek.com/android/google-expected-to-unify-chat-under-the-name-babble-1543151/:
Google expected to unify chat under the name Babble | Android | Geek.com
[08:24:16] <Kev> That's an opinion piece.
[08:25:11] <Kev> (At the time Google said that the unilateral block of remote subscription requests was temporary in the face of spam attacks
and I think they've since removed it in favour of something less extreme)
[08:28:33] <Beanow_> I see,
[08:29:30] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> How many of you guys are planning on being at realtimeconf eu next week?
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[08:31:37] <Beanow_> Well lets hope babble will be open then. It would be great to feast on new protocols.
[08:32:09] <Beanow_> And realtimeconf. Oi oi, €400 is a bit too expensive for me.
[08:36:49] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> I got in on early bird :)
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[08:37:53] <Beanow_> Maybe I should try and think of a businessmodel that involves XMPP real quick and get my boss to pay for me.
[08:37:53] <Beanow_> Then I would go :P
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[08:39:23] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> :)
[08:39:34] <Steven Lloyd Watkin> Where are you based Beanow_ ?
[08:39:56] <Beanow_> NL, so the distance is not the issue.
[08:40:33] <Alex> Steven Lloyd Watkin: I read rumers that they wanna buy whats app, but whats app blocked all comments and said they were never
in contact with Google. This was at least teh last I read in the web
[08:40:44] <Alex> this room gets busy again ;-)
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[09:12:14] <sarvoth> does anyone here know an existing client for ubuntu where a user as room owner can change the properties of a room eg room
limit
[09:12:51] <sarvoth> its because my server is still saying im sending out wrong dataforms and i need to check logs on an existing one
[09:13:40] <Link Mauve> Try Gajim.
[09:14:01] <sarvoth> ok will do
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[09:18:37] <MegaX> Morning, i have an ejabberd related question. Has someone experience with the external auth script for php / mysql? Couldn't
get it running
[09:18:56] <Tobias> have you tried the ejabberd chatroom?
[09:19:36] <MegaX> yes, no response
[09:20:00] <Tobias> haven't used ejabberd myself for years
[09:20:36] <MegaX> can you recommend anouther reliable jabber server software?
[09:20:56] <Tobias> prosody?
[09:21:25] <MegaX> found that 10 minutes ago
[09:21:37] <Tobias> and?
[09:21:56] <MegaX> i think i will look into that one :D
[09:22:14] <MegaX> do you know if there is an option to use a mysql database or to register users with a webform?
[09:24:00] <Tobias> it's possible and likely already code for that
[09:24:30] <Tobias> ask the people in prosody@conference.prosody.im, they should know best
[09:31:28] <MegaX> thanks!
[09:32:05] <Tobias> you're welcome
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[11:48:24] <sarvoth> i finally got it working !
[11:51:14] <Alex> (Y)
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[12:54:34] <_◘◊н◊ρнιlιρ☺άяąвs◊н◊◘_> Hello
[12:55:38] <_◘◊н◊ρнιlιρ☺άяąвs◊н◊◘_> Is there bots
[12:56:41] <Beanow> Hi,
[12:57:07] <_◘◊н◊ρнιlιρ☺άяąвs◊н◊◘_> Why are there here
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[12:57:55] <_◘◊н◊ρнιlιρ☺άяąвs◊н◊◘_> Hey guys
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[13:42:15] <sarvoth> can u see a history of this chat ?
[13:57:01] <sarvoth> got it
[14:10:36] <sarvoth> seems as soon as i got 5+ users in my room my server is slow down alot
[14:10:59] <Kev> That seems quite odd.
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[14:13:18] <sarvoth> hmm its like im doing double work
[14:13:42] <sarvoth> eg if someone joins a room he gets presence statements from every user already in there and also sends his presence state
[14:14:05] <Kev> That is correct, is it not?
[14:14:13] <sarvoth> but that presence state is being sent 2x once to sarvoth@localhost and once to stagingroom@conference.localhost
[14:14:40] <sarvoth> i meant stagingroom@conference.localhost/sarvoth
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[14:15:32] <sarvoth> gonna check this out some more first
[14:16:57] <Beanow> That won't be the slowdown though.
[14:16:57] <Beanow> Any half-decent server should be able to handle a truckload of that kind of stanza's at a time.
[14:16:57] <Beanow> 10 of them is peanuts.
[14:19:58] <Beanow> Speaking of performance. Jabber.org is particularly slow lately. That's not just me is it?
[14:20:47] <Kev> It's not just you.
[14:20:51] <sarvoth> ye im seeing the same issue with jabber.org
[14:21:09] <Kev> The machine needs an upgrade. We've got a new server ready to deploy onto, but it's taking a long time to be ready.
[14:21:59] <sarvoth> what about a server hosted om my own laptop ? that one should also able to handle alot of messages ?
[14:25:20] <Beanow> sarvoth: I have my server running on an atom board. 1.6ghz dual core. It works for running me and a few friends on it.
[14:25:20] <Beanow> Plus 5 rarely-visited websites, several email accounts, etc.
[14:26:20] <Beanow> Your laptop will probably have a much better CPU so yes it should handle it well. Although you might want to avoid WiFi if
you want some serious use.
[14:26:37] <Kev> sarvoth: It's hard to imagine any non-pathological hardware that couldn't easily handle significantly more than five users
in a room.
[14:27:31] <sarvoth> ye it does, and its only my staging i got a real server acting as my demo environment. But ye ok ty
[14:28:10] <sarvoth> well i must add to that that im nut using my xmpp server only as an IM service, im also sending out alot of messages for my
WebRTC part
[14:29:12] <Beanow> WebRTC, depending on what you're doing might eat on your bandwidth though.
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[14:30:52] <Beanow> If you have no bandwidth left to spare, it won't matter how your CPU performs. With the exception being your localhost testing
setup of course.
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[16:49:24] <kbs> By any chance, have there been any changes in the gtalk service over the last week? I'm using an emacs (jabber.el) client
to connect to talk.google.com, and it recently it hangs during session establishment. The server doesn't appear to respond
to an <iq/> set for a session. Pastebin -> http://pastebin.com/i1Lw03x0 I'm not super familiar with the protocol -- would
also appreciate advice about debugging it.
[16:49:25] <Kanchil> kbs: http://pastebin.com/i1Lw03x0:
<stream:features> <mechanisms xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-sasl"> - Pastebin.com
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