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[12:03:25] <KiDo> what is the limit for banlist?
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[12:33:32] <tthc> hello
[12:34:43] <tthc> recently, I registered on jabber.org and I would like to create PubSub node. May I ? if yes, how?
[12:34:50] <tthc> thanks in advance..
[12:34:59] <Kev> jabber.org doesn't run a pubsub service.
[12:35:34] <tthc> could you please suggest some altetnatives?
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[12:35:55] <Kev> I've never needed one - you could always run your own?
[12:36:48] <tthc> thanks Kev. May be my next question is dumb one... let me ask it anyway...
[12:38:42] <tthc> Is there a way, I can control MUC created by me and I disable message sending by other attendees... basically, can I run MUC as just like broadcast service... meaning I keep on sending messages/information to all the attendees..??
[12:39:55] <tthc> and if I can hide attendees list from other attendees... it is great !!
[12:40:44] <Kev> Yes, and it depends on the implementation, in that order.
[12:41:14] <tthc> Does jabber.org supoort that?
[12:41:27] <Kev> It supports the former. It doesn't support the latter yet.
[12:42:03] <tthc> meaning does not support hiding list of attendees... right?
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[12:42:15] <Kev> Correct.
[12:42:27] <Kev> You can make a moderated room (only participants can speak), though.
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[12:47:12] <tthc> I just want to push notifications to list of users.. .. in this case, users must be logged in to get notification message, right? if users are not logged in, they will miss that message... did I understand correctly? I guess PubSub is best option for my requirement but for time being and Proof-of-concept , I can live with that limitation... Later on if my POC works, then I do intend to run my own XMPP server...
[12:48:00] <Kev> Whether it'll be stored offline for them depends whether it's sent as a type=headline or type=normal message.
[12:50:45] <tthc> I did not get... which type will store it? headline or normal message?
[12:51:20] <Kev> normal.
[12:52:09] <tthc> ok.. so type=normal messages will be stored and users will get it whenever they come online again..right?
[12:52:27] <Kev> Usually, yes.
[12:52:47] <Kev> They may have disabled offline storage, or filled it, or the server may have it disabled, but the general case is that they'll receive it.
[12:54:16] <tthc> I can take care of any configuration setting... meaning users are not going to know that in my application xmpp is being used behind the scene...
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[12:55:53] <aqui> Is it possible to connect to googletalk using a jabber acount? how does one do that?
[12:56:28] <Kev> aqui: Yes, but currently Google have blocked friend requests for non-Google servers.
[12:57:01] <tthc> on that line, let me ask... if my application takes care of all the data exchange with xmpp server, will user know or I can take of and hide every thing from user screens ...
[12:57:10] <aqui> Kev: so meeting people with jabber is currently limited to the contents of conference.jabber.org? I see there are almost no chat rooms and the few that there are are empty
[12:57:26] <Kev> aqui: No, any XMPP server will talk to jabber.org
[12:57:34] <Kev> Except that Google has some bugs that stop it working for conferences.
[12:57:53] <aqui> Kev: when I connect to one of those xmpp servers, is my password revealed to them?
[12:57:57] <Kev> tthc: How you write your application is up to you.
[12:58:09] <Kev> aqui: You always connect to the server on which your account resides.
[12:58:34] <Kev> So if your account is on wonderland.lit, you sign in to wonderland.lit, and tell wonderland.lit to join you to jabber@conference.jabber.org
[12:59:24] <tthc> yes kev I understand, but it is technically feasible that I can hide that from user... right?
[12:59:45] <aqui> Kev: so whenever I connect to my jabber.org account using pidgin, even if I tried to join GoogleTalk, google would not log any information related to my account, password,etc? As far as they are concerned they would be exchanging information with jabber only?
[12:59:51] <Kev> tthc: Of course.
[13:00:00] <Kev> aqui: Correct.
[13:01:47] <tthc> aqui: I am using Pidgin for messaging and I see all my GTalk, Yahoo, AOL, and anyother XMPP based IM friends in one place and I can chat with any of my friends irrespective of what service they are using...
[13:02:08] <aqui> Kev: when I try to join a chat, it also has a "password" field, why is that?
[13:02:11] <tthc> Kev: now sizing question if I may ask...
[13:02:33] <tthc> kev: With say subscriber base of about 50K users, and these 50K users may have subscribed to 10-15 services and each service may send 5-10 notifications/messages per Hour.... then with this kind of requirement, what kind of hardware do I need to run my own XMPP server ??
[13:02:45] <aqui> tthc: that's not the question I asked, what I asked was joining through ones jabber account, without having to create a new account at google or yahoo
[13:02:56] <Kev> tthc: That's a question you'd need to ask the server vendor.
[13:05:36] <tthc> can VPS kind of hardware handle this type of messaging load?
[13:06:20] <tthc> aqui: not an issue... with your jabber account, you can add friends who had google or yahoo account.. and both of you can communicate...
[13:06:23] <Kev> 50k connections concurrently means you probably need a fair bit of RAM, if you're doing TLS.
[13:07:08] <tthc> what is TLS? I do not know...please..
[13:08:26] <aqui> tthc: and in those cases would yahoo or google have access to the content of the converstions?
[13:09:20] <tthc> aqui: yes.. you mean google or yahoo users right? not google or yahoo as company...
[13:10:28] <aqui> I mean yahoo or google servers. The user I am chatting with I take for granted that he should access the content of the conversation by decoding the SSL message, otherwise what would be the point, it would be impossible to talk to anybody
[13:15:12] <tthc> aqui: I am not sure where actual conversation content is being stored... but my understanding is one-on-one chat conversation is NOT stored on any servers... for MUC, the server hosting that MUC will store it if you make MUC persistance...otherwise, it will not be stored... yes, XMPP servers (google or yahoo or any) does have access to content and it may store it .. but I guess for 99% of times it will not be stored...
[13:16:53] <aqui> tthc: how do the servers have access to the decrypted conversations if all XMPP conversations use SSL so that only the user I am chatting with can decode my messages with his private key?
[13:17:56] <Kev> TLS is between you and the server.
[13:18:45] <tthc> aqui: I am not sure... it is my guess... and yes, if it is SSL, transmission is secure...
[13:20:23] <tthc> kev: got it.. TLS means transport layer security... (I googled it..) if I do not use TLS since my messages are not confidential, then do I need huge memory?
[13:20:42] <Kev> You always want to use TLS.
[13:20:56] <Kev> Unless you're on a LAN over hardware encryption or some other trusted environment.
[13:21:28] <Kev> As you were just saying, it's not secure to do anything else.
[13:22:00] <aqui> tthc: correct me if I am wrong, but XMPP defaults to SSL encryption. As far as other data are concerned, like IP address, my guess is that only one's jabber server has access to it, google/yahoo would not, if my guess is right, know what your IP is, only what your jabber server's IP is, which means your jabber server connects to google and acts as an intermediary between you and google, so google never really needs, nor has access to, your IP
[13:22:43] <Kev> TLS, not SSL. SSL's been obsolete for years.
[13:23:19] <Kev> Only your own server knows your client IP, correct.
[13:24:06] <tthc> aqui: I am sorry.. I am not sure... I am not very good at this... Kev, what do you say?
[13:24:25] <tthc> kev: thank you for your help and support... I appreciate that...
[13:26:00] <tthc> I will have to leave... thanks guys... I enjoyed my stay here... have a great week end... bye...
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[13:26:55] <aqui> Kev: I am new to this, hence so many questions... all I know is that I refuse to use services like Skype, through which personal data is absolutely insecure because the server can decrypt the data whenever it wants (and additionally it probably contains deliberate backdoors; it is closed binaries so anything is possible). The main problem with XMPP's great design is that very few people use this, so that pretty much defeats the whole purpose of the project
[13:27:41] <Kev> In XMPP, unless you use E2E encryption, servers can also read your messages (although only your own server and the servers you speak to, so you can pick servers you trust, or run your own).
[13:30:33] <aqui> Kev, what do you mean E2E encryption?
[13:30:50] <Kev> End to End.
[13:30:53] <Kev> GPG or whatever.
[13:31:41] <aqui> Kev: in pidgin I have got an option which is "use SSL/TLS", if I use that how is the server reading my messages when only the user I am speaking with can decode them with his private key?
[13:32:05] <Kev> The server is reading your messages because the server is the entity to which you are doing TLS.
[13:32:47] <aqui> so how is jabber any more secure than skype is then?
[13:33:26] <Kev> You can choose a server you trust, including running your own, and you can use whatever E2E encryption you want. Psi supports encryption e2e using GPG, for example.
[13:33:36] <Kev> Pidgin supports OTR, I believe.
[13:35:12] <aqui> yes, pidgin uses OTR via a special plugin. Even irssi makes use of OTR. I agree it is way better than skype, I just wanted to know if SSL/TLS was any advantage on its own
[13:35:45] <Kev> It's an advantage over /not/ having TLS.
[13:36:04] <Kev> But it may not be an advantage over Skype, I have no idea what the Skype protocol is.
[13:38:49] <aqui> Kev: is it possible these days to have an acceptable online social life without resorting to msn, skype, facebook and all that crap?
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[13:51:43] <vilius> only you can answer that as definition of "acceptable" and "online social life" will be individual. I am perfectly fine without "all that crap" you've mentioned. However, there are many people using facebook daily, by free will I assume. So that must not be crap for them.
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[18:15:57] <rod> Hello - testing my android client
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[18:19:19] <rod> Thanks guys
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[21:02:29] <abo.al3bas> Hi All
[21:06:15] <abo.al3bas> can i have a help
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