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[11:46:44] <Beanow> Can't say I have any experience with services. With the only exception being Google.
[11:48:18] <Beanow> From them it's safe to assume a good service in terms of availability. But comes with downsides of course. The implementation (although custom domains are supported) is kind of rigid. You won't get them to install an XMPP extension for you should you need it.
[11:51:08] <Beanow> And I've also had some interoperability issues with it. I'm still unable to establish a mutual subscription from my ejabberd server accounts on the custom domain for some awkward reason.
[11:51:29] <Beanow> In-company and to Gtalk users it works perfectly of course.
[11:54:26] <Beanow> Also, MUC is impossible to host from it.
[11:54:40] <Beanow> You'd need a secondary domain to do it.
[11:55:50] <Kev> And, indeed, you can't join MUCs on remote domains properly from Google Accounts.
[11:56:01] <Beanow> So depending on your needs, you're probably better off hosting your own as soon as you need anything more than in-company IM's. Get a VPS, hire an expert. :P
[11:56:35] <Beanow> Well, joining the MUC's works fine.
[11:56:40] <Beanow> But not if they're on the same domain.
[11:56:44] <Beanow> For example.
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[11:57:08] <Kev> Beanow: No, it doesn't.
[11:57:39] <Beanow> mydomain.com = Google hosted. It refuses to join chat.im.mydomain.com hosted on a different IP. Because Google says. mydomain.com is mine, I don't know of any chat.im.mydomain.com.
[11:58:10] <Beanow> But you can join chat.secondarydomain.com
[11:58:28] <Kev> Not properly.
[11:58:29] <Beanow> Yeah it does. IF your client supports it and it's not on the same domain.
[11:58:42] <Kev> Because it has an issue where it re-sends directed presence every five minutes.
[11:58:53] <Beanow> Aaaah, that might be.
[11:58:57] <Beanow> It's ugly, but it works.
[11:58:59] <Beanow> One can chat.
[11:59:03] <Kev> So every five minutes the server, on your behalf, sends a stanza to the MUC saying "I'm not in your, and I want to join you".
[11:59:09] <Kev> Even though you're already there
[11:59:23] <Kev> Which will probably result in it resending you all the room occupants and room history.
[11:59:47] <Kev> And if you try changing a nick it's even worse - every five minutes you spam the MUC with a nick change back to your old nick and then immediately to your new nick again.
[11:59:59] <Beanow> Haven't had that issue from a gtalk account yet.
[12:00:00] <Kev> And if you try to leave a MUC, it'll automatically rejoin you without your client knowing.
[12:00:26] <Kev> I suppose it's possible they fixed it, I did report the bug ages ago. Let's test...
[12:01:04] <Beanow> But most irritatingly Google is greedy in subdomains.
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[12:01:54] <Kev> Well, that's more broken than I thought :)
[12:02:06] <Beanow> Hahaha
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[12:05:02] <gtest> Test?
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[12:05:13] <gtest> Test again
[12:05:18] <Kev> No, this is very broken.
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[12:05:44] <Tobias> this isn't a testing room
[12:05:54] <Beanow> Mh, yeah I seemed to remember it working better.
[12:06:02] <Kev> Tobias: :p
[12:06:03] <Beanow> Oh well
[12:06:33] <Beanow> Not-workable MUC support.
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[18:38:34] <galaxxy> He
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