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[17:59:07] <psa> datallah: you have voice here now
[17:59:17] <datallah> ok, thanks.
[17:59:25] <psa> datallah: I must have messed something up when I installed the corrected certificate
[17:59:37] <datallah> : I've noticed that hermes.jabber.org is serving up the SSL cert chain out of order, and that's causing issues for the gnutls implementation in Pidgin. The certs are 1->3->2 instead of 1->2->3.
[17:59:37] <psa> I'll need to fix that tonight
[17:59:49] <datallah> Not a huge deal, but I figured I'd bring it up.
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[19:14:54] <nomadofnorad> /me gingerly pokes the channel...
[19:16:53] <ThurahT> isn't that a facebook thing?
[19:19:22] <nomadofnorad> What, are ppl on Facebook afraid it might explode if they press it too hard? :D
[19:21:59] <nomadofnorad> So, I take it we've had some nice bugfixes and whatnot lately?
[19:29:02] <KiDo> can gmail users join jabber.org conferences???
[19:36:20] <nomadofnorad> Well, THIS account is on a gmail address... so...
[19:37:32] <Kev_> Not really.
[19:37:46] <Kev_> There's a bug in the Google servers that means they play badly with MUCs.
[19:38:15] <Kev_> e.g. saying "Hey, I'm not in the room, please make me join!" every five minutes or so, regardless of whether you're still in the room or not.
[19:38:27] <Kev_> It's possible they've fixed that now, but last time I heard they hadn't.
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[19:39:11] <KiDo> that's kinda weird 2 of my friends tried it just now one of the could join the conference and talk like any other one and the other couldn't
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[22:11:07] <nomadofnorad> hmmmm..... is any of this related to why often times I come here, and never get Voice?
[22:13:20] <nomadofnorad> Anyway, I mainly hang out here because I'm waiting to find out if the issue that sometimes causes comments on a given jabber chat room to show up for me twice over, or three times over, or something, because apparently the chatroom thinks I'm there two or three times over, or some such thing. I think I vaguely remember someone saying weeks ago that maybe there was a fix for that, but I'm hazey on it.
[22:14:18] <nomadofnorad> *if the issue has been fixed that...
[22:15:23] <Kev_> nomadofnorad: Do you mean that each message is delivered twice at once, or that you get the messages replayed some minutes later?
[22:15:47] <Kev_> As long as you're using gmail all bets are off on MUC behaviour, I'm afraid.
[22:32:54] <sono> gtalk users can't MUC well these days lately ?
[22:36:28] <sono> nomadofnorad: That's something that pidgin has a tendency of doing
[22:38:16] <ThurahT> sono: source?
[22:38:25] <sono> nomadofnorad: and seein that you're using Pidgin, I can tell you that I have had that happen a few times. Sometimes Pidgin err...I don't know the technical term but I like to call it "presence dump"s your jid on a given chat sometimes. So when you come back to the room, the client (I think ?), has this weird thing of showing you being already there and that you're in that room as s second presence. So this results in you seeing youre messages showing up twice
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[22:39:05] <sono> source: my personal experiences as an end user
[22:39:08] <ThurahT> hm.. Never happened to me. Must be a gtalk thing. Or some s23s mishap
[22:39:15] <sono> no in fact
[22:39:24] <sono> I've had this happen to me when using any jid in the past
[22:39:33] <sono> it's a client thing
[22:39:45] <sono> nomadofnorad: Are you on Windows ?
[22:40:57] <sono> Solution to that problem is have the owner of the room kick your other "presence" out
[22:41:20] <sono> or come back into the room using the same resource as you did when came to room last time
[22:41:31] <sono> It's weird but I've only had this problem reoccure with Pidgin in Windows
[22:41:49] <sono> In Linux, and I assume with UNIX, I've had no issue like that
[22:46:26] <ThurahT> wish I could reproduce.. I see that happen to other when they d/c and the server doesn't kick them when they 404.
[22:49:17] <sono> ThurahT: Check their clients before they dc and if it's libpurple that their client is based off then you might your explination. I've had this, again, only with Pidgin users, including myself, that are Windows have this happen to them (Heck even the Adium people don't have this problem but then again they're sitting on UNIX).
[22:50:08] <sono> ugh I need more coffee I didn't type that right
[22:50:16] <sono> lol
[22:50:16] <ThurahT> you think it is OS related?
[22:50:34] <sono> No no I think it's just something with the development of the client in relation to the OS
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[22:50:58] <sono> So the OS has nothing to do with it per se. It's just how Pidgin is going about it at runtime on Windows. That's my guess
[22:51:29] <sono> But it's not that Windows itself is doing something to screw things up is what I'm saying
[22:51:39] <ThurahT> I'll remain mildly sceptic.. : )
[22:53:26] <sono> Well given that you have same stuff used for Adium, and it's working fine because the OS is sitting on almost the same stuff as whatever XYZ Linux distro is, and both Pidgin on Linux and Adium on Mac OS X are not having these problems. Then I think it has to do with the development of the client for the Windows OS because I can't really see anything Windows doing, unless there's a conflict or something as far as handling dcs
[22:55:10] <ThurahT> I've seen ghosted nicks from ppl using pidgin on linux.. so it is not unique to windoze.
[22:55:53] <sono> Okay so then it's a client thing then
[22:56:13] <sono> But as far as I know it's a pidgin thing and nomadofnorad is using pidgin
[22:56:20] <ThurahT> : )
[22:56:47] <sono> ThurahT: source ?
[22:57:05] <ThurahT> same as yours.
[22:57:20] <sono> :P
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[22:57:26] <ThurahT> I have 5 xmpp accounts and I am in 8 MUC romms and it never happened to me.
[22:57:53] <ThurahT> pidgin and windows user.
[22:58:24] <sono> You're using windows ? I figured you were a *nix user given slight bits when talking about Windows :P
[22:58:40] <ThurahT> I hate windows
[22:58:49] <ThurahT> not as much as I hate microsoft..
[22:58:55] <sono> I really don't care what I use
[22:59:00] <sono> Or who made
[22:59:07] <sono> it*
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