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[19:43:49] <psa> sorry
[19:43:59] <psa> the room got left in the moderated state
[19:44:02] <psa> should be fixed now
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[19:45:33] <Guus-voiceless> is it?
[19:45:35] <Guus-voiceless> it is!
[19:45:37] * Guus-voiceless in now known as Guus.
[19:45:46] <Guus> Thanks!
[19:45:52] <psa> sorry about that!
[19:46:08] <Guus> Confusing - pidgin has rather poor support to inform the user why messages don't show up in the chatlog :)
[19:46:19] <Guus> oh, no worries.
[19:46:46] <Guus> I was not able to request voice by the way
[19:47:06] <Guus> using the example from http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#requestvoice
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[19:53:45] <deryni> Did sending not trigger an annoying popup message about a failed message? (On a related note I wonder what the server does to moderated messages.)
[19:54:31] <psa> deryni: not moderated messages as in a queue, but a moderated room as in non-members don't have voice
[19:54:44] <xnyhps> I got nothing in Adium when I tried to send yesterday.
[19:56:59] <Guus> No, I did not get any error / popup warning me that my message was being ignored as a result of moderation / not having voice. I had to use the XMPP debug console in pidgin to figure out what was going on.
[19:57:05] <deryni> Fair enough. Though that should trigger a forbidden error (according to the spec) which should trigger a dialog in pidgin I would think. I wonder if that wasn't happening. I'd be curious to see the xml traffic from an attempt.
[19:57:35] <Guus> deryni: if you create a modded room I'd be happy to share the xmpp dumps
[20:00:47] <Guus> deryni: I have the exact same results there
[20:00:51] <Guus> I'll post them to pastebin
[20:01:32] <deryni> M-Link support fully anonymous rooms?
[20:01:35] <Guus> http://pastebin.com/SEYWvir5
[20:03:06] <deryni> That is sending the forbidden. I wonder why that isn't triggering a dialog or anything.
[20:03:39] <Guus> That, I do not know. For what it's worth, I'm using: Pidgin 2.10.6 (libpurple 2.10.6) 4cfe697ea3ae39a4fb3dad8e3ed1c70855901095
[20:08:35] <deryni> I think I may see the problem. It looks like we throw away errors if they don't contain any body text. Which the one's from M-Link don't.
[20:10:15] <Guus> I did notice that quite a number of errors were generated while trying to send a message. Even the chat state notification messages result in an error. It'd be nice to limit the amount of popups somehow :)
[20:10:37] <Guus> (although more than zero popups would definately be an improvement ;) )
[20:11:45] <Guus> On a completely different note: I was handed a requirement today, defining that a chat (conversation, exchange of message stanzas within a thread) can be started only after the intended recipient of the first message explicitly allows the conversation to take place. Is there a known approach for such a feature?
[20:14:10] <deryni> I feel like there was an xep (or at least a discussion for a potential xep) for that sort of chat request mechanism at one point (a long time ago) but I can't find it in the xep list and don't have time to search the mailing list archives.
[20:19:12] <psa> Guus: for one-to-one or multi-user?
[20:19:21] <Guus> one-to-one
[20:19:38] <psa> we had http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0155.html
[20:19:42] <psa> but no one ever used it
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[20:20:08] <psa> or it was not widely used -- it was part of the story for ESessions (XEP-0116)
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[20:21:38] <Guus> XEP-0155 appears to be bang on, on first glance
[20:21:44] <Guus> I'll sink my teeth into that one, thanks!
[20:22:12] <psa> Guus: sure :-)
[20:22:33] <psa> Guus: just understand that it might be over-complicated -- most things that Ian produced were :-)
[20:23:34] <Guus> Version 0.0.1 (2005-07-12) First draft. (psa)
[20:23:38] <Guus> Suure, blame Ian ;)
[20:23:44] <psa> heehee
[20:24:59] <Guus> I liked your recording, by the way :)
[20:25:05] <psa> ah thanks
[20:25:15] <psa> it was pretty primitive
[20:25:27] <Guus> somewhat odd to hear a voice to the handle though
[20:25:27] <psa> hoping to make some real recordings next year
[20:25:32] <psa> I have lots of stuff to record
[20:26:30] <Guus> I didn't realize you were that much of an artist
[20:27:00] <Guus> (I barely sing in showers - and if I do, I'm typically asked to stop.)
[20:27:07] <psa> :-)
[20:27:32] <psa> while in university I used to do a lot of performing in coffee houses and such, but I never pursued it seriously
[20:30:41] <Guus> Perhaps one day you'll be the subject of a "search for sugar man", who knows ;)
[20:31:14] <psa> HEH
[20:31:17] <psa> I doubt it
[20:31:25] <psa> (oops, capslock)
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