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[03:34:42] <lemur> hola aRyo
[03:35:06] <lemur> ok here is an idea
[03:35:07] <aRyo> lemur: what's up?
[03:35:12] <lemur> I have an idea
[03:35:24] <lemur> in xmpp s2s, one server delivers messages to another
[03:35:51] <lemur> but what we could do is devise a protocol
[03:36:21] <lemur> whereby when you message someone on another server, your client connects directly to their server, and their server identifies you by asking your server if you are who you say you are
[03:36:33] <lemur> so your own server does the authentication, but kind of like openid other servers honor it
[03:36:52] <lemur> that way you eliminate burden on server systems brought on by s2s
[03:36:56] <lemur> cut out the middle man
[03:37:57] <aRyo> interesting
[03:38:12] <lemur> this would be especially useful for conferences since all messages have to end up on the server that the conference resides on anyway
[03:39:27] <aRyo> do you know push technology?
[03:39:37] <lemur> no
[03:39:57] <lemur> well I know it's what lets my mobile phone get whatsapp messages without having to have an "always on" connection to their server
[03:40:01] <lemur> I think..
[03:41:56] <aRyo> i mean your idea almost sounds like a push
[03:42:39] <lemur> oh ok
[03:42:42] <aRyo> "your client connects directly to their server" <- i'm not sure is this kind of approach wise enough or not
[03:42:53] <lemur> it is definitely more complicated
[03:43:06] <lemur> more prone to failure or security risk
[03:43:16] <aRyo> yes it is
[03:44:06] <aRyo> and it also have to be some kind of auth method
[03:45:13] <lemur> darn
[03:46:03] <aRyo> I once had a similar idea to accommodate the delivery of new email notifications
[03:47:05] <aRyo> email located in server1 but the notification sent to other XMPP/jabber server on "what server" the user wants it receive
[03:48:16] <aRyo> federated concepts but not only for xmpp message but also for email messages
[03:52:36] <aRyo> on server 1 user given a GUI to input their JID address (notification destination)
[03:56:01] <aRyo> after input is complete, the system automatically sends random messages to that JID address to verify the S2S connections
[03:59:06] <aRyo> user should input that random message back to the system, if it matched "bingo" they can receive mail notification using their own jid on other XMPP/Jabber server instead server1
[04:00:38] <aRyo> lemur: what do you think? is it the same as your idea?
[04:06:40] <lemur> let me see
[04:07:42] <lemur> is this like authentication with a remote server?
[04:08:24] <aRyo> indirectly
[04:08:48] <lemur> xmpp servers deliver e-mail?
[04:09:21] <aRyo> mail notification
[04:11:23] <aRyo> contain: subject & from-addr
[04:12:17] <lemur> ah
[04:12:18] <lemur> interesting
[04:12:28] <lemur> so you can have it check your inbox for you basically
[04:12:46] <aRyo> yup
[04:16:23] <aRyo> check only for NEW messages
[04:20:41] <aRyo> your idea more likely like this: server1 has 1.000 users, if you use your method then 1.000 users are allowed to connect to your server directly
[04:21:20] <lemur> yeah I think so
[04:21:31] <aRyo> why not: 1000 users -> server1 -> S2S with -> your server
[04:23:46] <lemur> it's more work for server1
[04:23:59] <lemur> but server 2 can't be expected to care about that lol
[04:24:31] <aRyo> yeah :D
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