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[19:26:58] <lemur> hey guyes
[19:26:58] <lemur> guys
[19:27:35] <lemur> so I noticed not long ago that I don't have S2S with my friends on talkonaut... the message I get from jabber.org is that the remote server cannot be found
[19:27:54] <lemur> although I'm not having a problem chatting with them on my yandex account
[19:29:07] <psa> hi
[19:29:07] <lemur> I'm trying to figure out where along the line the link is broken, like if jabber.org blocked talkonaut, or they blocked jabber.org, or if the domain is somehow blocked in the US
[19:31:22] <psa> we're not blocking talkonaut, but it's probably that the server-to-server connection has problems
[19:31:31] <lemur> damn
[19:31:45] <psa> s/possible/probable/ :-(
[19:32:09] <lemur> I deleted some old friends off my list because I figured that their service was discontinued or they deleted their accounts or something
[19:32:09] <lemur> but maybe this is just a temporary issue
[19:32:29] <psa> should be "temporary"
[19:32:41] <psa> brb
[19:32:41] <lemur> although I think it's been a few weeks since I noticed the remote host not found error
[19:32:53] <lemur> k
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[19:40:51] <KiDo> talkonaut blocked jabber.org :oops:
[19:41:24] <psa> KiDo: really?
[19:41:43] <psa> no
[19:41:55] <KiDo> psa: yes , they have blocked jabber.ru too
[19:41:55] <psa> I can telnet from the jabber.org machine to talkonaut.com on port 5269
[19:42:18] <KiDo> I think they want to be independent server
[19:42:22] <psa> maybe they are blocking at the application layer, not blocking the IP address
[19:42:38] <psa> hmph
[19:42:59] <KiDo> I don't know , but that what have done
[19:42:59] <KiDo> yea maybe
[20:03:20] <lemur> they are assholes
[20:03:29] <lemur> well lucky thing I have a yandex account
[20:03:49] <lemur> maybe they think being more closed will pressure more people to download their client software
[20:04:13] <psa> they never were very helpful to us when they launched (they sent all their users to this chatroom as a way to test), and now they block us ... oh well :-)
[20:04:24] <lemur> well I just registered a jabber.ru account so let's test
[20:05:12] <naw_> it may be the tls problem with old versions of some libraries?
[20:05:14] <lemur> hmm indeed
[20:05:18] <lemur> it says remote server not found
[20:05:43] <ThurahT> in that case they will soon perish. Not allowing s2s is only smthng FB can get away with..
[20:05:44] <lemur> jabber.ru and jabber.org use different server software, highly unlikely this is a software bug
[20:06:35] <Link Mauve> If they are the cause they use a blacklist, my server can s2s with them without issue.
[20:06:50] <lemur> yeah
[20:06:52] <lemur> blacklist
[20:06:55] <Link Mauve> At least way better than a whitelist.
[20:06:58] <lemur> where are they located?
[20:07:09] <lemur> does google use a whitelist?
[20:07:24] <psa> lemur: IIRC the talkonaut guys are in Russia
[20:07:31] <lemur> figures
[20:07:31] <Link Mauve> I was thinking about facebook and microsoft, perhaps some other ones.
[20:08:06] <psa> lemur: we've had a problem recently with spammer accounts on many open xmpp servers, but the target was gmail, not talkonaut
[20:08:53] <lemur> hmm
[20:10:16] <lemur> Is it really worth it not to allow plaintext authentication over and encrypted connection?
[20:10:20] <lemur> it seems to take forever
[20:10:48] <psa> lemur: everything takes forever at jabber.org right now, so don't use that as your benchmark
[20:11:08] <ThurahT> word : )
[20:11:53] <naw_> psa: what happens at jabber.org?
[20:12:20] <psa> naw_: old machine, too much traffic, and new machine installed but service not yet migrated to it fully
[20:13:17] <psa> brb
[20:14:03] <lemur> true but I use other servers as well... yandex doesn't even allow other authentication methods
[20:14:25] <lemur> but I don't really think there is much risk in plaintext login over TLS or whatever
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[20:14:59] <lemur> salam zaggy
[20:15:03] <lemur> oh wait he left
[20:15:05] <naw_> psa: are threre statistics about active users account ?
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[20:15:40] <naw_> I mean, simething like in 2009 there were 50000 active users and now there are 100000
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[20:29:52] <lemur> it's hard to find good android xmpp clients
[20:30:47] <ThurahT> I was given a galaxy tab and I was wondering about a xmpp client. Which is the best?
[20:34:17] <sono> http://www.xabber.com/ <--- friend tells me that it's "alright"
[20:34:37] <lemur> yeah I have had the most success with xabber
[20:34:43] <lemur> most clients are utter crap
[20:35:05] <lemur> beam appears to be the most open source looking project, and apparently it's not dead yet
[20:35:06] <sono> And unfortunately it's the only decent one I can recommend to my knowledge for Android
[20:35:06] <ThurahT> okay, thanks. I'll try it.
[20:36:02] <sono> (I was working on a compiled list of clients for various OS platforms for people in me room to check out but stopped short with the Android as they're...ehh..."a work in progress" to put it nicely)
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[20:43:21] <lemur> jabber.ru takes forever to authenticate
[20:44:19] <psa> lemur: I can take blame only for jabber.org ;-)
[20:44:30] <lemur> hehe
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[20:47:43] <yuppinturic> ì
[20:47:45] <yuppinturic> ppp
[20:47:46] <yuppinturic> ppppppp
[20:49:59] <psa> heh
[20:50:48] <psa> pubuntu: I made you a member of the room so you will always be able to send messages
[20:51:17] <pubuntu> thank you :)
[20:54:17] <pubuntu> Does specifying a custom host and port have any advantage?
[20:56:07] <lemur> it does if you want to connect
[20:56:47] <psa> connect where?
[20:57:07] <psa> the problem with doing that is you can't connect again later if the server admins make changes
[21:00:41] <pubuntu> Sometimes it appears to take forever to log in to my jabber account when I use the default settings. And explicitly specifying the host seems to do the trick
[21:01:23] <psa> pubuntu: interesting
[21:02:11] <psa> pubuntu: that sounds like an issue related to DNS lookups, then
[21:03:40] <pubuntu> What could I do to solve it?
[21:04:26] <psa> pubuntu: at the least, post about it on the gajim list (or chatroom or whatever) and see if this is a known issue
[21:05:19] <pubuntu> okay
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[21:25:55] <lemur> you know what, beam appears to be working OK, it just has no muc support
[21:26:12] <lemur> the major failure in most android clients is muc... xabber has it but it sucks
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[21:32:05] <lemur> Okay
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