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[05:10:09] <nomadofnorad> hmmmmm..... is that M, as in one of the support guys in the James Bond movies?
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[09:02:29] <suvidu> hi all
[09:02:29] <suvidu> just found my old login data for jabber.org and read the FAQ on the website, to be sure I'd remember how to use it.
[09:02:29] <suvidu> There it's said that I should set my email address in the server-stored vCard -- I cannot find that in Pidgin. Does anybody know Pidgin well enough to help me out?
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[09:20:00] <PaulFertser> Hi there :)
[09:20:14] <PaulFertser> What's going on lately? My connection to the server is dropping without any obvious reason.
[09:20:27] <PaulFertser> Also, the IPv6 issue is still there :(
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[09:58:05] <suvidu> I don't know, PaulFertser, I was also disconnected without reason and couldn't reconnect for quite a while. That's why I asked here if anybody knows how to add the mail address to the jabber profile via Pidgin.
[09:59:04] <PaulFertser> suvidu: you can modify and send your updated vcard from inside your XMPP client.
[09:59:17] <PaulFertser> Kev might know about the server issues :)
[10:00:35] <Kev> There are currently two issues I know about. 1) The server needs to be migrated to the new machine 2) It seems some bug somewhere in some other servers means they won't S2S to us since we installed a new cert a few weeks back.
[10:01:16] <Kev> I don't have a timeframe on (1), and I'm hoping someone will find whatever the bug in the other servers is and fix it, I don't think there's much we can do about that.
[10:04:35] <PaulFertser> Kev: what i saw is several sudden disconnections today and one or two a day or two before, is that related to 1?
[10:05:02] <Kev> It's usually only one a day or so, I think, while the backup process runs.
[10:05:04] <Kev> How many have you had today?
[10:10:59] <Kev> I do see a process restart earlier this morning, which is probably due to it being killed by the OOM handler in the kernel.
[10:11:11] <Kev> Although I'm now monitoring the process in case it's a crash.
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[10:13:40] <PaulFertser> Kev: [2013-01-03 10:33:21] , [2013-01-03 12:45:01] , [2013-01-03 13:16:50] UTC+4 so it's three today.
[10:14:11] <PaulFertser> Is the backup process supposed to disconnect all the users?
[10:14:14] <Kev> No.
[10:14:46] <Kev> The box is just overloaded. The next version of the server should use much less memory, which'll help, and we have a new box to migrate onto.
[10:15:19] <Kev> We just need to make sure everything's in place for as smooth a migration as possible.
[10:15:25] <Kev> (Which probably won't be that smooth, but hey)
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[10:17:30] <PaulFertser> Heh, got it now :)
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[10:27:08] <suvidu> Kev: can you help me about the vCard update via Pidgin (or any other client)?
[10:29:04] <aRyo> suggestion for web-based: try http://mayplaces.com/im or https://mayplaces.com/im or jappix
[10:29:48] <Kev> Although giving your password over to a third party isn't something I'd ever recommend.
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[10:30:18] <Kev> I know that in Psi it's easy to set your vcard, and that it's not possible in Swift yet, but that's as far as I go I'm afraid. I don't know anything useful about Pidgin.
[10:31:48] <aRyo> need un-installing stuff, my laptop is full
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[12:35:40] <suvidu> Thanks for the hints!
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[19:18:54] <nomadofnorad> so how often do they clear the scrollback buffer in here?
[19:22:20] <ThurahT> every time the server restarts
[19:22:54] <nomadofnorad> so, is there a rime or reason to when that happens? :)
[19:23:37] <ThurahT> haha... well.. No.
[19:24:12] <ThurahT> I'd prefer if it never restarted.. But that is impossible..
[19:24:17] <nomadofnorad> how often is it, tho?
[19:24:41] <ThurahT> That differs.
[19:25:11] <ThurahT> They test stuff and do upgrades and tweaking.
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[19:37:32] <psa> I can clear the history in the room configuration too, if you'd like :)
[19:38:06] <ThurahT> I like to see proof of ppl actually chatting when joining..
[19:38:11] <ThurahT> : )
[19:38:38] <psa> heh
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[19:39:58] <ThurahT> even though it's only "hello, helloo, @}->--"
[19:40:27] <nomadofnorad> :)
[19:42:53] <PaulFertser> psa: hey :) btw, do you know about the ipv6 issues? I've forgotten if you've already commented on it.
[19:43:21] <psa> issues with connecting to jabber.org's xmpp service via ipv6?
[19:43:30] <psa> I might not know about the issues, then
[19:43:34] <PaulFertser> psa: yeah
[19:43:39] <PaulFertser> psa: and the website too
[19:43:49] <psa> hmm
[19:43:58] <psa> I either had not heard about those, or don't remember
[19:44:23] <psa> I know Kev and Edwin had worked on that for IPv6 day
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[19:44:55] <PaulFertser> psa: jabber.org's ISP is single-homed with IPv6 via Cogent. And Cogent refuses to peer with Hurricane Electric. So everyone who's single-homed with HE can't access it via IPv6 at all. The packets are simply dropped along the way, without any ICMP diagnostic or such.
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[19:45:33] <PaulFertser> psa: i've talked with the admin of Monticello Networks and he's sad about it but so far can do nothing, IPv6 support only costed him money bringing no business advantage. And he can't afford going multi-homed now.
[19:47:28] <PaulFertser> psa: if you have an AS you can get a BGP tunnel to HE via IPv4 for free...
[19:47:49] <psa> not sure what I can do about networks that refuse to peer
[19:47:55] <PaulFertser> But all in all, the situation sucks. Especially given many IPv6 enthusiasts all around the world are getting the service via HE.
[19:48:09] <psa> PaulFertser: I will forward this information to our network guys and see what they say
[19:48:56] <PaulFertser> psa: there's not much to say :( HE agrees to peer with anybody. But Cogent doesn't want it, trying to push the others as much as they can to become Tier1 :/
[19:49:09] <PaulFertser> That's going on for several years already.
[19:49:34] <PaulFertser> Monticello networks can't go multi-homed too.
[19:49:47] <psa> PaulFertser: ah, I see
[19:51:04] <PaulFertser> There's unfortunately no HE presence in Monticello so they can't directly peer with HE and would need to buy transit. And it makes no sense business-wise as far as i understood.
[19:53:08] <PaulFertser> psa: just to let you know that one of the trend-setting XMPP servers is not really accessible via IPv6 for many users (they need to wait for timeout for the client to hopefully switch to ipv4) and that's unlikely to change anytime soon on its own.
[19:53:36] <ThurahT> who is this he
[19:53:47] <PaulFertser> ThurahT: Hurricane Electric
[19:53:57] <ThurahT> ah..
[19:54:22] <psa> PaulFertser: waiting for timeout is bad, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6555/ ("Happy Eyeballs: Success with Dual-Stack Hosts")
[19:56:46] <PaulFertser> psa: i do not like it as it's hiding the problem instead of solving it :/
[19:58:12] <psa> PaulFertser: it just seems like smart implementation guidance to me
[19:59:04] <psa> /me wonders why the chatroom is so laggy
[19:59:15] <PaulFertser> psa: yes, and it successfully hides issues with IPv6 connectivity. It meets the stated goals but i'm not sure if it helps wider deployment.
[19:59:41] <psa> PaulFertser: you make a good point
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[20:13:17] <PaulFertser> psa: btw, i'm happy about RFC6540 but local ISPs seem to ignore it :/
[20:14:13] <psa> PaulFertser: oh yes, that's more a wish than a true requirement :)
[20:14:28] <psa> I recall much discussion in the IESG about that one
[20:16:06] <PaulFertser> psa: btw, regarding XMPP, i was sort of disappointed that the XEP-standard GPG encryption is covering only the message but not any of the metadata (and no salt) so it can make for a nice replay attack. Are there some newer developments (apart from plain OTR and XMPPised OTR)?
[20:17:53] <psa> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-miller-xmpp-e2e/
[20:18:06] <psa> and perhaps XMPPised OTR
[20:18:56] <ThurahT> that was a very interesting link
[20:19:45] <psa> I was talking with Matt Miller about it just yesterday, in fact (his e2e draft)
[20:19:49] <PaulFertser> psa: interesting, thanks!
[20:25:35] <ThurahT> Cisco.. Guess he had nothing to do with the decision to monitor all routers traffic and block improper content.. : ))
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[21:13:28] <π> weird
[21:13:56] <π> /me tests
[21:14:12] <ThurahT> psa : )
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[21:15:08] <ThurahT> what is weird?
[21:15:18] <psaintan> ok
[21:15:23] <π> maybe it's an s2s issue
[21:15:45] <π> I can't post to this room from my stpeter.im account
[21:15:59] <π> but my jabber.org account and my cisco.com account are both fine
[21:16:49] <π> /me tries to rejoin
[21:17:00] <ThurahT> that is weird..
[21:17:02] <psaintan> and yes I work for Cisco :)
[21:17:23] <π> seems to be an s2s issue of some kind
[21:20:36] <Mati> Hi, are there any jabber.org admins arround? I run jabber.at (and some other VHOSTs) und we seem to have connection issues to (only!) jabber.org, on only some of the VHOSTs. I was hoping for debugging support
[21:22:05] <PaulFertser> Mati: yes, Kev is present here
[21:22:20] <Mati> Kev, hi ;-)
[21:22:37] <PaulFertser> Mati: they've changed the certificate lately
[21:22:58] <PaulFertser> Mati: are you sure it's not verification of it on your side?
[21:24:15] <Mati> PaulFertser, well, it works on one server - not the other
[21:24:31] <Mati> they run the same package, same OS, etc., I can't figure out any difference on my side
[21:25:06] <PaulFertser> Mati: but do you have the logs?
[21:25:37] <Mati> yes, but they were inconclusive
[21:26:27] <Mati> that is: they didn't hint at any issue I could make out
[21:26:39] <Mati> essentially: packages are just not coming back
[21:26:48] <PaulFertser> Mati: are you unable to establish s2s at all? Was it over IPv6 or IPv4? Did STARTTLS fail? :)
[21:28:40] <Mati> PaulFertser, from my server I can reach 5269 (and 5222) via both IPv4 and IPv6 - yes, I know of SRV records
[21:30:03] <PaulFertser> Mati: so you can reach by telnetting to the right manually but your xmppd can't? You can try tcpdumping the packets then for diagnostics.
[21:30:18] <π> sigh
[21:30:27] <π> I still can't send messages here from stpeter.im
[21:30:40] <π> anyway I've had reports of something similar at another server, I think
[21:30:53] <π> but that was before the end-of-year holidays and I was awfully busy then, so maybe it was Mati who reported this
[21:31:19] <Mati> PaulFertser, I have a jabber.org test-account. When sending a message from there *to* my fsinf.at (<-- has problems) account, I get nothing in my ejabberd logs, even at log-level 4
[21:31:32] <Mati> π, I assume you are stpeter?
[21:32:08] <π> Mati: yes :)
[21:32:12] <PaulFertser> psa is stpeter :)
[21:32:22] <Mati> π, In any case: I just got aware of this issue today - I haven't reported it earlier. I user of mine noted the issue, and he seems to have had this issue for some time
[21:32:27] <π> I use π when I join here from my peter@jabber.org account
[21:33:00] <Mati> π, psa, PaulFertser, I can't see JIDs here, so I can only believe you ;-)
[21:33:00] <π> I have too many accounts :)
[21:33:20] <Mati> π, PaulFertser, if its worth anything, I have root-access to both a server that works and the one that does not work
[21:33:40] <π> Mati: what are some of the vhosts?
[21:33:51] <PaulFertser> Mati: Kev should be able to help once he's available.
[21:33:57] <π> so jabber.at works but some vhosts don't work?
[21:34:04] <Mati> π, works: jabber.at, doesn't work: jabber.fsinf.at and fsinf.at
[21:34:42] <psaintan> Mati: ok
[21:34:42] <psaintan> /me logs into hermes
[21:35:00] <Mati> ANOTHER stpeter? :-)
[21:35:21] <Mati> so, why do messages take forever to be echoed back? is that my own issue?
[21:35:30] <π> heh
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[21:35:49] <π> Mati: I was testing connectivity from a few different domains
[21:35:55] <π> sorry about the confusion :)
[21:36:30] <Mati> π, no problem
[21:38:24] <π> Mati: unfortunately, the logs aren't very helpful at jabber.org, although I do see lots of connection attempts
[21:38:25] <Mati> π, Q: could you check srv-records for fsinf.at - that is, what you see on hermes?
[21:38:50] <Mati> it should resolve to 128.130.95.20 and 2001:629:3200:95::1:20
[21:39:07] <Mati> and then - does 5269 work there?
[21:41:54] <π> SRV fine, telnet to 5269 fine on both IPv4 and IPv6
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[21:43:09] <psa> ok
[21:43:20] <psa> now you don't need to create Greek characters :)
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[21:46:05] <Mati> psa, I do like greek characters, though ;-)
[21:46:37] <psa> heh
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