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[16:13:49] <PaulFertser> Hi
[16:13:49] <PaulFertser> It's soo painful lately :(
[16:14:27] <PaulFertser> Not a good publicity for XMPP...
[16:22:06] <Kev__> .
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[16:22:24] <Kev__> ..
[16:22:35] <Kev__> Yeah, OK, that's not good.
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[16:27:28] <PaulFertser> Kev__: i mean when my friends tell me that it must be a joke that the biggest public XMPP server is so unstable for so long i have nothing to answer them. And if i tell them that PSA and you are on board they might lose respect for the technology itself even...
[16:29:24] <Kev__> It's not particularly unstable, but it is exceptionally overloaded.
[16:33:46] <PaulFertser> I understand that the current situation is not a result of negligence or something. But if you imagine all your friends, colleages and other contacts are using servers that allow them to communicate between each other all the time almost without issues and you, having @jabber.org account, drop out every now and then, you'll see what i mean. The end result feels really wrong.
[16:35:30] <Kev__> Did I disagree?
[16:36:01] <PaulFertser> Being IPv6 single-homed via Cogent feels wrong too.
[16:36:31] <Kev__> That is the least of my current concerns :)
[16:36:57] <PaulFertser> No, you didn't it's just that i wasn't sure i made my point clear.
[16:37:34] <Kev__> I understand. The machine is (very) slow and it sucks.
[16:38:29] <PaulFertser> Kev__: (ipv6) if a large portion of your users can't even access http://jabber.org within reasonable time (i.e. less than 10 seconds), that feels wrong, do not you agree with that?
[16:39:22] <PaulFertser> It's not the end-users who are supposed to be multi-homed (almost nobody has his own AS), it's the services that should be one way or the other.
[16:41:02] <PaulFertser> If you ask some people who use Freenode you'll see that many active users there are single-homed with HE. And you're single-homed with Cogent. And packets go to nowhere and even simply accessing your website requires browser to timeout the connection to switch to ipv4.
[16:41:51] <Kev__> Sure, it'd be nice if IPv6 worked flawlessly. But it's still not a priority right now. I'd rather the XMPP service was working smoothly. Users who can't route to the website via IPv6 shouldn't be taking 10 seconds to find this out.
[16:42:13] <Kev__> But even if they are. This is secondary to the XMPP service.
[16:43:07] <PaulFertser> Indeed, but probably it's the same with XMPP, many clients will wait for timeout for quite some time because there's no indication that something is wrong, it's just a black hole.
[16:43:16] <Kev__> They won't.
[16:43:49] <Kev__> Oh, hrmm. I thought I'd set IPv6 a lower priority than IPv4.
[16:43:59] <PaulFertser> How do they determine the host is unreachable?
[16:45:28] <Kev__> So yes, at the moment they've got a 50% chance that they'll try IPv6 first, and it'll take however long it takes for their router to tell them the route's unavailable before it falls back (or until their client times out, whichever comes first).
[16:46:47] <PaulFertser> The router will never tell the route's unavailable because the router just routes to upstream ISP and it routes it farther and then HE silently drops it and no ICMP destination route unreachable ever comes back.
[16:47:16] <Kev__> Oh. That sounds a bit broken.
[16:47:35] <PaulFertser> It's that way for _years_
[16:48:15] <PaulFertser> I'm not sure why, i'll ask HE guys.
[16:51:25] <PaulFertser> But facts are cruel :/
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[17:49:58] <Kev__> PaulFertser: I have changed the priority of SRV so clients/servers will always try IPv4 first.
[17:50:34] <PaulFertser> Kev__: thank you!
[18:01:14] <PaulFertser> Kev__: a HE engineer told me they are adding some "pullup" routes to null0 to be able to BGP announce a whole prefix to some of their routers.
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