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[09:31:32] <schweineschwarte> hello @all, I want ask if a person can help me with my questions about ssl encryption on MUC. I have create an chatroom and join them with two accounts. at the time I write with both of them, I sniff the data traffic with wireshark. after, I view the packages, but I don't find any ssl packages (only TCP packages) but I can't find the text from the conversation too. so my question: is the ssl encryption into the TCP packages or doesn't use ssl and I am to stupid to find the messages in the packages? :)
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[09:36:07] <Kev> What are you sniffing?
[09:37:27] <schweineschwarte> How else I can see if I encrypted the messages?
[09:37:35] <schweineschwarte> I sry
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[09:38:37] <schweineschwarte> I sniff my traffic between two xmpp-accounts on a self-created MUC.
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[09:42:13] <schweineschwarte> But I can't see any ssl packages, only TCP packages. But I can't find the messages in this TCP packages which I wrote.
[09:42:44] <Kev> That doesn't really answer the question, though. At what point are you sniffing the traffic - C2S? S2S? If S2S, between which domain pair?
[09:43:11] <Kev> (Sorry, seems the server is very lagged, even by normal standards)
[09:45:30] <schweineschwarte> Well, what is C2S or S2S? ^^ I had one PC and two jabber-clients (pidgin and qutIM) and had create an MUC on swissjabber.ch I start the MUC with pidgin, join with qutIM, start wireshark and send some messages.
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[09:46:11] <Kev> C2S = client to server, S2S = server to server.
[09:46:43] <Kev> Messages go from Client A to server A to the MUC to server B to client B.
[09:46:54] <Kev> So that's several hops, and you can't (usually) sniff all of them
[09:47:11] <Kev> But typically every client will be negotiating STARTTLS just before the session is started.
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[09:52:55] <schweineschwarte> right but would be encrypted the messages which send to the server which I wrote? If no why I can't find them? (like MSN packages, which I find easily) If yes why I can't see the ssl packages?
[09:54:34] <vilius> if you configured your client to use TLS, the messages should be encrypted.
[09:54:49] <Kev> Yes, unless your client has been configured not to use TLS, it'll use TLS.
[09:56:44] <schweineschwarte> Can I check it, elsewhere like wireshark?
[09:57:01] <vilius> however, as with any other technique, you need to understand what it actually gives you and what are its limitations. The traffic between your client and the server will be encrypted. That is not sufficient if you don't trust your server for some reason or anything down the line (anything in between your server and the recipient of the message). In this case you would need a solution for end-to-end encryption.
[09:59:54] <schweineschwarte> Yes I would ensure, that the traffic between client and server is encrypted. better, the traffic between all client are secure but OTR doesn't support MUC. Or I'll be wrong?
[10:03:00] <vilius> yes, I don't think it makes much sense for MUC. In my understanding the server hosting the MUC works like a repeater. If you'd try using end-to-end encryption for MUC, basically every client would have to send a separate message to every participant of the chat.
[10:03:32] <Kev> vilius: That's not entirely true.
[10:05:14] <vilius> that's just my reasoning and I'm just a user of XMPP. So I'd be glad to hear your explanation and straighten up my understanding :)
[10:07:37] <Kev> You can, in principle (not that this is done in the wild on XMPP), encrypt messages to a group of people without sending one stanza per recipient. In the simplest case you could encrypt the message N times and send it in one stanza - but more usefully you can do key exchange when you join the chat such that you can then encrypt each message once.
[10:10:26] <vilius> oh, like encrypt it with the chat key, not a particular recipient's. Sounds simple and effective, but that seems to presume the chat participants trust the MUC server, doesn't it?
[10:11:51] <Kev> No.
[10:12:37] <Kev> You can do they key exchange between occupants.
[10:12:40] <schweineschwarte> Give it a secure method für groupchat with xmpp? Or can I only ensure, at the options of the client, that I used ssl connection to the server? Can I ensure that the client works correctly? (like packetsniffer or else?)
[10:12:40] <schweineschwarte> Give it a secure method für groupchat with xmpp? Or can I only ensure, at the options of the client, that I used ssl connection to the server? Can I ensure that the client works correctly? (like packetsniffer or else?)
[10:13:23] <schweineschwarte> oops, sry for the doubleposting.
[10:13:37] <Kev> You can sniff your own clients. You can't sniff anyone else's, nor can you sniff any S2S hops.
[10:13:45] <schweineschwarte> für = for
[10:13:54] <Kev> There's currently no XMPP protocol for e2e over MUCs.
[10:16:21] <schweineschwarte> ok but I have sniffed the traffic between my c2s but I can't find the messages in plaintext or any ssl packages with wireshark. :S
[10:17:34] <schweineschwarte> only a lot of TCP packages wireshark info for these packages: 14 17.380518000 49.212.155.196 141.45.198.130 TCP 66 xmpp-client > 52806 [ACK] Seq=283 Ack=219 Win=4006 Len=0 TSval=1051865373 TSecr=1226625
[10:18:52] <schweineschwarte> include this packages ssl encryption?
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[16:39:04] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> may i can ask what is going on with jabber
[16:40:04] <pengwen> its jabbering
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[16:40:24] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> took 10 minutes to connect to my a/c
[16:40:28] <Kev> If you mean jabber.org, the server's under heavy load at the moment.
[16:40:54] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> ok
[16:41:36] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> i need some help
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[16:43:09] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> as i was making one software for mobile it is all done but when i enter room with that then i am not able to send msg to room what might be possible cause?
[16:44:11] <Kev> Possibly a bug that the room isn't unlocked yet?
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[16:47:54] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> rum is unlocked
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[16:48:24] <••.๓..ค..Ŧ..เ.ค.••> room*
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[16:54:52] <←η→> Hello:-)
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[16:55:41] <←η→> Kev you are admin in jabber organization
[16:55:55] <←η→> ?
[16:56:16] <Kev> What organisation are you talking about?
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[17:00:44] <ThurahT> mobile flooder?
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[21:10:58] <Hypnagogia> Hello, can anyone point me to a link on how to configure a newly made room?
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