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[11:19:36] <mazzachre> Kev? Or anyone who admins jabber.org servers... There seem to be some s2s problems, There are people on other servers I can't talk to (tigase.org and malcowsky.net that also uses Tigase) can someone help me with that?
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[11:53:47] <Kev> mazzachre: Are they running a recent Tigase? It used to have a problem with sending stazas across s2s in the wrong namespace, so it'd reject it.
[11:57:13] <mazzachre> I think so, let me ask... (email is so slow...)
[11:58:41] <Kev> Ok, I just checked and s2s jabber.org<->tigase.org is up and working.
[11:59:50] <Kev> And the reason it doesn't work to malcowsky.net is that it doesn't exist.
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[12:00:58] <Kev> (@mazzachre)
[12:07:09] <mazzachre> Uhm..... I will tell him that he does not exist...
[12:07:32] <Kev> Ok.
[12:08:06] <mazzachre> malkowscy.net with a c
[12:08:25] <mazzachre> or rather, with c and k switched
[12:09:34] <Kev> He isn't running an XMPP server on that machine. Or, probably, he is but has firewalled it off.
[12:09:58] <Kev> His SRV records are missing, and the default port doesn't seem to be listening on the A record.
[12:15:50] <Kev> malkowscy.net. 3600 IN A 212.85.96.95 telnet 212.85.96.95 5269 12:08pm Trying 212.85.96.95... telnet: connect to address 212.85.96.95: Operation timed out telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
[12:16:22] <mazzachre> ok, thx, I send it on to him
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[13:34:24] <mazzachre> AT malkowscy.net they say that SRV record should be read first, not A record, and the SRV record points to the correct XMPP server
[13:37:07] <deryni> They don't have SRV records.
[13:37:16] <Kev> They are correct that SRV is read first, they are wrong that it's set up correctly.
[13:40:54] <misha> _xmpp-server._tcp.malkowscy.net. 3600 IN SRV 10 0 5269 xmpp.tigase.org. hmm, what's wrong with it?
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[13:41:26] <Kev> ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN NS
[13:41:39] <Kev> My bad.
[13:41:41] <Kev> Typod it.
[13:42:02] <Kev> bbiab
[13:42:09] <deryni> And I apparently can't read. =)
[13:42:42] <mazzachre> Learning to read really helps in developing :)
[13:44:26] <deryni> I'm going to blame being in the middle of too many things at the moment and call this one an EINTR. =)
[13:46:43] <mazzachre> :)
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[14:33:45] <Kev> Right, off the call and looking at this.
[14:34:01] <Kev> Yes, SRV is set correctly if I check the second version of the domain, not the first one you said :)
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[15:03:55] <mazzachre> But I still can't talk... Since monday morning (It worked friday)
[15:05:12] <Kev> It worked Saturday, too.
[15:08:08] <mazzachre> ok, I didn't connect on satturday
[15:08:30] <mazzachre> Any upgrades on this side since then?
[15:08:55] <Kev> The connection to tigase.org seems to have become 'hung' since then - that is, the connection in still open, but stuff being sent down it is vanishing into a black hole.
[15:09:53] <Kev> Oh, naughty, the SRV record points to xmpp.tigase.org, but xmpp.tigase.org is a CNAME to tigase.org.
[15:16:26] <mazzachre> Hmm... it seems many services have problems with CNAME records... We had many problems when changing some CNAME records from endpoint to another... Until we changed them to A records and just pointed to same IP as the actual machine...
[15:18:12] <Kev> This isn't the problem.
[15:18:17] <Kev> It's just that it's illegaly.
[15:18:20] <Kev> *illegal
[15:18:24] <Kev> It'll work fine
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[15:19:22] <Kev> The problem seems to be that we've got an established connection to the server, but it's not doing anything useful.
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[15:31:20] <mazzachre> ah, ok... Well I leave the chair for today... Hope it is fixable
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[15:32:15] <Kev> I think restarting either tigase.org or jabber.org would close the connection. I'm loathe to do that for jabber.org, for obvious reasons.
[15:32:18] <Kev> Ah, you've already gone.
[15:47:44] <Florob_> Wait... m-link can not selectively close connections?
[15:48:19] <Kev> User connections, yes.
[15:48:42] <Kev> There's usually no reason (unless the other end goes wonky, typically) to close s2s, though.
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[15:56:52] <Kev> (Don't know that it's the other end gone wonky in this case)
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[16:58:27] <darkrain_> Is anyone else's reading of stpeter's precis post (the one he forwarded to the XMPP wg) that passwordy things would suddenly be much more limited (from being unicode-ey to ASCII-ey)?
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[16:59:07] <Kev> I confess to not having read that yet.
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[17:02:45] <Kev> I suspect 'symbol' has a special meaning, here.
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[20:50:41] <stpeter> darkrain_: passwordy things would allow all letters (e.g., π is a letter) but not all symbols (e.g., not things like stars or whatever)
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[21:01:58] <darkrain_> stpeter: Ahhhh, okay. Thanks for the clarification!
[21:02:58] <stpeter> so you could have Greek or Hebrew or Chinese or Korean letters in your password, but not stars and hearts and musical notes and so on
[21:05:28] <darkrain_> I apologize if this was covered elsewhere, but why disallow symbols in passwordy things?
[21:06:33] <stpeter> well, first it was just a proposal :)
[21:06:58] <stpeter> second, it can be hard to duplicate things like hearts and stars in clients
[21:08:01] <stpeter> third, I think typical users can get enough entropy from all the letters and numbers and basic symbols in Unicode :)
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[21:08:15] <stpeter> the problem with password entropy is not the lack of symbol characters :)
[21:08:30] <Kev> The "Password characters are not Pokemon" theory?
[21:10:59] <darkrain_> Heh
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