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[08:04:38] <Dmitriy.trt> Hi! Is there any XEP describing protocol to edit already sent messages?
[08:05:43] <Kev> No, I'm intending to write one at some point.
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[08:13:05] <Dmitriy.trt> Kev: Do You need any help with it?
[08:13:53] <Kev> I wouldn't have thought so, thanks - it should be a one-liner.
[08:14:01] <Kev> I'll add that to my short-term todo.
[08:15:11] <dwd> Dmitriy.trt, On the other hand, it's also simply enough for you to beat him to it. :-) Feel free to suggest something on the standards@ list.
[08:15:23] <dwd> "simply enough"? "simple enough".
[08:15:28] <dwd> See, I need this XEP already.
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[08:23:10] <Dmitriy.trt> Kev: Thanks in advance.
[08:24:06] <Kev> I'll do that now before I get started on something for the morning.
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[08:29:25] <Zash> Use XSLT \o/
[08:29:46] <Kev> And can I just say...No.
[08:29:50] <Zash> For great justice of overkill-ness :D
[08:30:37] <Zash> But, the Skype people would +1 on "edit already sent messages"
[08:34:44] <Zash> It will however break the chronological order of messages, and you can't know that everything below a line is new
[08:35:04] <Kev> In Skype, you only edit the most recent message. I was going to do the same.
[08:36:59] <Zash> I can edit older messages
[08:37:17] <Kev> Ah, so can I, it seems.
[08:37:43] <Zash> if you do s/foo/bar/ it only changes the last message however
[08:37:48] <Kev> Oh well, let's start with editing the most recent, and go from there. It's the only use case I've ever used.
[08:39:03] <Zash> <message><replaces which="last" xmlns="urn:xmpp:grammarnazi"/>...</>
[08:39:11] <Kev> Pretty much, yeah.
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[08:40:58] <Zash> That I could live with :)
[08:51:05] <Kev> It's not clear to me if this is even worth doing disco for.
[08:52:23] <Kev> I guess it is.
[08:53:24] <Zash> Just a extra element like above could work for clients without support if you have a proper <body/>
[08:54:51] <Zash> who do you disco in a muc?
[08:55:06] <Kev> Right.
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[09:12:19] <Kev> Something like http://www.doomsong.co.uk/extensions/render/xep-correct.html ?
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[09:26:34] <Zash> Kev: Do all clients set a id?
[09:27:10] <Kev> No, but it's not unreasonable to say they must do so if they're going to send corrections.
[09:28:34] <Kev> Added to the working copy.
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[09:40:29] <Zash> I wonder how hard it would be to detect common ways to "correct" misspelled words and send that automagicaly
[09:40:50] <Zash> like "correctedword*" and "s/bad/good/"
[09:44:03] <Kev> Well, regexps wouldbe easy to detect, I assume.
[09:44:04] <MattJ> Gajim already has autocorrect :)
[09:44:17] <Kev> MattJ: oh, what stanza does it send?
[09:44:20] <MattJ> Oh, I see what you mean
[09:44:26] <MattJ> Kev, nah, in the input box
[09:44:34] <Kev> Right, that's entirely unrelated.
[09:44:46] <Kev> Zash: I don't think there's any need to talk about how to detect corrections in the XEP, though.
[09:44:47] <MattJ> I thought Zash was saying that it would detect when you made a mistake, and then send the stanza to fix it
[09:44:53] <MattJ> which didn't make all that much sense :)
[09:46:18] <Zash> MattJ: I meant that when people make misstakes they usualy send a "corretion" by sending "correctedword*"
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[09:46:36] <MattJ> Yep, I understand now
[09:47:06] <Zash> the hard part would probably be knowing which word you meant :/
[09:47:52] <Kev> Word with the minimum Levenshtein distance, I guess.
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[09:49:11] <MattJ> That wouldn't necessarily take Zash's extreme example of s/bad/good/, but in general, yes :)
[09:49:26] <Zash> (skype does it!!)
[09:49:33] <Kev> Yes, if you want to correct 'bad' for 'good', you're doomed.
[09:49:39] <Kev> Unless you just use a regexep.
[09:49:44] <Kev> s/exep/exp/
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[10:30:18] <will.thompson> Kev: xep-correct looks good to me. maps pretty closely to how we were going to represent it in Telepathy :)
[10:30:30] <will.thompson> Kev: right down to the MAYs and SHOULDs :D
[10:30:39] <Kev> Great, thanks.
[10:31:46] <will.thompson> Kev: FWIW when I was looking into this I found an email RFC using the header 'supersedes' for this, rather than 'replaces'
[10:31:57] <will.thompson> (it even had a MUST NOT for supercedes :D
[10:31:58] <will.thompson> )
[10:32:20] <Kev> So you're saying we should make xep-correct use supercedes? :)
[10:32:41] <will.thompson> :D
[10:33:23] <will.thompson> i just kind of like the word. but supersede vs. replace is bikeshedding
[10:35:51] <waqas> I like the color of replace.
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[10:40:04] <Zash> the color :)
[10:41:18] <louiz> I like "replace" because it's shorter and easier to understand :)
[10:41:43] <louiz> (you're talking about the EP-xxxx: Last Message Correction, right?)
[10:41:55] <Kev> Yes.
[10:42:00] <Guus> ah, you're discussing it here too. I just replied to the list
[10:42:33] <Guus> you probably already discussed this, but what to do with other child elements than <body> ?
[10:42:54] <Kev> Reparse, and where appropriate take the new values.
[10:43:15] <Kev> But right, I should mention that.
[10:43:50] <Kev> But the sender should essentially be resending the original stanza as-was, apart from the corrections.
[10:44:11] <Guus> agreed, but indeed, put that in there.
[10:44:17] <louiz> This should be specified in the XEP then
[10:44:29] <Guus> by the way; did my message make it to the list? I'm getting a reply in I think portuguese...
[10:44:36] <louiz> Guus, yes, I get it
[10:44:39] <Kev> Yes.
[10:44:42] <louiz> (also, 2 spam in spanish)
[10:45:45] <Guus> that's what I see too. I'm currently in a hotel in Brazil, wonder if that was related somehow (couldn't see how)
[10:45:59] <Guus> google translate doesn't do a good job of translating that message. Can someone here/
[10:46:18] <Guus> ah, right
[10:46:24] <Guus> spanish, not portuguese
[10:46:32] <Guus> "Mail account which he has written, is idle, in case you need to contact the Department of Computer Science, please get in touch with us by phone."
[10:46:59] <Kev> Guus: I've some placeholder text in there now.
[10:47:11] <louiz> is your hotel a THB hotel ?
[10:48:35] <Guus> louiz: no. the server that sent those messages is plesk251105.vservers.es <-- spain, not brazil. I think the mail has subscribers that do no longer have a valid mail account.
[10:48:56] <Guus> Looks good Kev
[10:49:14] <Kev> Guus: Ta.
[10:49:30] <Guus> shower/breakfast. afk
[10:50:08] <Kev> Enjoy.
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[12:17:07] <alkino> hi all
[12:17:15] <Kev> Hi there.
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[12:21:18] <jonas> is there any users of any servers reporting problems with gtalk s2s recently?
[12:21:33] <jonas> seem to work fairly bad for us, from time to time
[12:21:35] <Kev> I've heard people muttering about it, yes.
[12:21:42] <Kev> I haven't heard anything specific, though.
[12:21:47] <jonas> worked fine this morning, now gtalk cant contact our server
[12:21:55] <jonas> and was broken all weekend
[12:22:18] <jonas> funny thing is it works for one of the vhosts, not the other :P
[12:22:26] <petermount> i use gtalk via google apps for domains - not seen any probs, although not using it for in here
[12:22:46] <jonas> i mean s2s from "regular" xmpp servers
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[12:24:11] <petermount> ok - just tried a test from jabber.org -> google looks fine to me
[12:24:46] <jonas> mm, seems to be a selected few that has problems
[12:25:13] <jonas> hope it solves itself again ..
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[12:29:06] <alkino> so my question was
[12:29:22] <alkino> I use XML Console from Psi to test my jingle
[12:29:29] <alkino> but it's borring psi care of jingle
[12:29:45] <alkino> et when I send a <iq><jingle/></iq> psi answer
[12:29:55] <alkino> "unsupported-xx"
[12:30:00] <alkino> how can I do ?
[12:30:54] <Kev> alkino: If you send an iq stanza to Psi, it's always going to answer (as it MUST) - so acting as the recipient of iq stanzas and trying to craft responses on the console won't work.
[12:31:40] <alkino> how could I do ? :$
[12:31:50] <alkino> there is something else than this console
[12:31:58] <alkino> to "easy" send xml
[12:32:03] <Kev> telnet?
[12:34:22] <alkino> i will look
[12:34:31] <alkino> but I must care of "sessions" :(
[12:34:54] <Kev> Can't you test against yourself?
[12:35:09] <alkino> no :$
[12:35:17] <alkino> I can receive jingle but not emit
[12:35:30] <Kev> Ah.
[12:35:35] <Kev> Just write some unit tests, then.
[12:36:22] <alkino> ok
[12:36:30] <alkino> Just Psi got somes problems with jingle :s
[12:36:43] <alkino> he send session-terminate to a session-terminate
[12:36:53] <Kev> Report them, please :)
[12:36:57] <alkino> ok
[12:37:03] <will.thompson> alkino: you could test with some other client that supports Jingle?
[12:37:18] <Kev> will.thompson: Do you do Jingle FT?
[12:37:24] <alkino> which one :s
[12:37:57] <will.thompson> Kev: no... we do Google's dialect, but not the XEPed dialect
[12:38:25] <will.thompson> so I guess if this is for Jingle FT, not calls, Empathy + Gabble is not the right answer here :)
[12:38:54] <Kev> Could be that it's still useful.
[12:48:34] <Dmitriy.trt> alkino: There is a project which continues developing Psi, mainstream development is not so active now. http://code.google.com/p/psi-dev/
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[03:42:46] <dddddd> hello every one
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