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[15:12:25] <Jeff~> heyy guys
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[15:16:59] <MattJ> Hey Jeff~
[15:17:14] <waqas> Hi Jeff~
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[15:19:14] <omar_alex> hi
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[15:21:37] <omar_alex> hi
[15:21:48] <omar_alex> i neeed help am new here
[15:22:24] <omar_alex> how can i join rooms in nimbuzz ????
[15:23:01] <omar_alex> gg
[15:23:23] <Kev> I know very little about nimbuzz. Maybe it's not possible.
[15:23:25] <Mati> omar_alex, I think nimbuzz terminated jabber suport
[15:23:27] <Mati> support
[15:24:06] <Kev> Oh yes, I heard that the other day too.
[15:24:06] <omar_alex> ok
[15:24:14] <Jeff~> what's been going on?
[15:24:25] <omar_alex> how can i enter chat roooms ???
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[15:25:14] <omar_alex> ??
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[15:28:06] <omar_alex> guys how can i enter to chat rooms ??
[15:28:13] <Kev> You're in a chat room now.
[15:28:39] <omar_alex> is it the only chat rooom here ?
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[15:29:01] <Kev> No. Exodus should be able to show you a list of rooms.
[15:29:21] <omar_alex> it doesn't show me any rooom
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[15:32:02] <omar_alex> ??
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[15:33:23] <waqas> That's not surprising. It doesn't show me any either. Probably due to the size of the list.
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[16:13:06] <Donovan> Anyone have an idea why someone using the same client, joining, leaving, and joining again would appear the first time as user@host/0af2e98fce8d7a60 and then user@host/Home, etc.?
[16:13:42] <Donovan> (i.e., the part after the slash changes every time they leave/return)
[16:13:54] <Kev> Yes.
[16:14:08] <Donovan> Could you be more enlightening, Kev? :D
[16:14:09] <Kev> Or at least, maybe.
[16:14:50] <Kev> If you request a specific resource (on M-Link anyway) you get it first time. Then if a second session requests it, it sees if the first session is still alive, and if it is it gives the new session a random resource.
[16:14:59] <Donovan> The user is on Pidgin, and I thought I'd seen that before with that particular client and another user.
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[16:15:42] <Kev> So it's conceivable that you could manage such a dance.
[16:16:07] <Kev> I suspect there are other causes.
[16:16:13] <Donovan> Ah, so it sounds as if the session isn't disappearing from the server as quickly as the client is discarding it when it's time for a new one.
[16:16:42] <Kev> That sort of thing.
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[16:17:05] <Donovan> Thanks
[16:18:02] <Donovan> /me now wonders what that server-side session expiration time is
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[16:33:17] <evilotto> on m-link I think that behavior is a user-settable option
[16:33:59] <Kev> News to me.
[16:34:37] <waqas> I think he means the resource textbox in clients' configuration dialogs.
[16:35:03] <waqas> i.e., users can request a specific resource.
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[16:37:05] <Donovan> well, the issue is that with chat between users who have authorized each other, each time the resource changes means the conversations starts over in a new window without history, which is inconvenient as well as incredibly annoying
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[16:37:39] <Kev> Ah, they're not using Swift ;)
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[16:42:41] <David Juhasz> Hi all, I'm having a weird problem with our #openarchives-dev room and the Pidgin client. Every 5 or 10 minutes (seems to vary) the last 20 lines from the room get re-posted to my client :(
[16:43:10] <David Juhasz> It's been happening since the room crashed out last week
[16:43:12] <Kev> Are you a gmail user?
[16:43:13] <Kev> Right.
[16:43:19] <David Juhasz> Yes, gmail
[16:43:37] <Kev> What's happening is every 5 minutes, gmail is sending a stanza to the room saying "Hi, I'm not in the room at the moment, but I'd like to join"
[16:43:58] <Kev> so the room clears out your old session, and rejoins you.
[16:44:08] <Kev> And when you join it sends you the history.
[16:44:27] <David Juhasz> :(
[16:44:38] <David Juhasz> any way to fix it?
[16:46:10] <Kev> I don't know what the right thing to do is, from the server's point of view here.
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[16:46:46] <Kev> This mechanism means that people without servers that do strange things will benefit from much better handling of ghosts.
[16:47:12] <Kev> But users of gmail, which has this mis-feature, suffer.
[16:47:38] <Kev> Ideally gmail would fix the bug.
[16:48:29] <MattJ> Which server is doing this? conference.jabber.org?
[16:48:45] <MattJ> Prosody used to do the same, but had to drop the feature because of Gmail :/
[16:48:50] <Kev> Yes.
[16:49:13] <David Juhasz> hmm, maybe I'll just try switching to an XMPP account
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[16:49:45] <David Juhasz> MattJ: Yes, the room is on conference.jabber.org
[16:50:09] <David Juhasz> Thanks for you help Kev :)
[16:50:23] <Donovan> oh, I've heard of you, David
[16:50:43] <Kev> David Juhasz: sorry it wasn't real help.
[16:51:20] <Donovan> Ran across your archivematica stuff in relation to the work I do with distributed proofreaders (and project gutenberg)
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[16:51:55] <David Juhasz> Donovan: :)
[16:51:58] <Donovan> /me was rummaging Dublin Core info at the time
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[16:53:27] <Donovan> /me makes note to re-examine DCB later
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[16:54:15] <Donovan> (I'll actually hand that off to one of the committees) :)
[16:55:08] <David Juhasz> Donovan: We just release new betas of DCB and archivematica in the last month
[16:55:59] <David Juhasz> And Peter has been on a plane for the last month presenting at a bunch of conferences
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[16:56:25] <David Juhasz> always cool to hear that people have heard of the project :)
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[16:56:46] <evilotto> hrm, maybe it was a different server I was thinking of that had that conflict behavior configurable. I've been looking at a few lately...
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[16:57:27] <evilotto> m-link has some user configuration, but only dealing with offline storage and auto-accept/auto-subscribe
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[16:57:51] <Kev> evilotto: correct.
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[16:58:23] <MattJ> Prosody lets you configure how to handle resource conflicts, but it isn't per-user - perhaps you mixed the two? :)
[17:01:04] <evilotto> MattJ: that is very likely
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[18:29:14] <kennedy23322> please, some help
[18:29:46] <kennedy23322> how must I do to register my msn account in my jabber account??
[18:30:49] <Mati> kennedy23322, you need a client that supports this - what client do you use?
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[19:34:56] <Bl@ck> Я взломал вашу комнату chat@conference.jabber.org, теперь вроде всё работает
[19:41:22] <Bl@ck> ))
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[19:41:37] <Kev> English in here, please.
[19:41:54] <stpeter> no Welsh?
[19:42:15] <Kev> :p
[19:47:08] <Donovan> Peter, ydych chi hyd yn oed yn deall Cymraeg? :D
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[19:48:54] <Bl@ck> Kev: Ok
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[20:06:25] <gustopn> thats welsh?
[20:08:11] <Donovan> That's Welsh for "Do you even understand Welsh?" :)
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[20:08:56] <gustopn> cool
[20:09:51] <evilotto> it could be welsh for "sorry, the automated translation service is unavailable. Please try back later."
[20:10:09] <Donovan> No one would ever know the difference, otto :D
[20:10:22] <Mati> maybe it also is something really obscene
[20:11:13] <evilotto> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259745/Welsh-road-sign-error-Swansea-Councils-office-email-reply-ends-road-sign.html
[20:12:04] <Donovan> heh. but that's Swansea, and to be expected
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[20:16:38] <Donovan> /me supposes everyone has seen this by now
[20:16:39] <Donovan> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-06/11/working-sniper-rifle,-minigun-and-shotgun-built-from-lego
[20:21:01] <Donovan> (in other news, Italy ties Paraguay 1:1 final in World Cup competition)
[20:21:47] <elmo> nice result ;-)
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[20:23:33] <Donovan> btw, Matt ... on behalf of the other US fans, thanks for the gift ;)
[20:25:39] <MattJ> Moi?
[20:25:43] <Donovan> (there was a great disturbance in the force, as if a million vuvuzelas were suddenly silent)
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[21:31:36] <gustopn> yes?
[21:31:38] <gustopn> where?
[21:32:31] <orice_nick> hi guys
[21:32:52] <orice_nick> does anyone know a tutorial on how to add BOSH support to my XMPP server?
[21:33:11] <gustopn> what is bosh?
[21:33:29] <orice_nick> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html
[21:33:32] <waqas> orice_nick: Which server?
[21:33:49] <orice_nick> it is a server written by a coleague of mine
[21:33:55] <orice_nick> not an open-source one
[21:34:20] <gustopn> ok
[21:34:22] <gustopn> and?
[21:34:34] <gustopn> i found the same page on google
[21:34:37] <waqas> Ah, okay. There isn't a tutorial. Your best bet is the specification, and looking at code in open source servers, and asking any questions here or on the mailing list.
[21:34:40] <gustopn> what is it for?
[21:35:21] <evilotto> if you just need bosh (or a web-based client), there is some client that includes a generic xmpp-to-bosh gateway.
[21:35:25] <evilotto> I think its jwchat.
[21:35:33] <gustopn> ;-)
[21:35:37] <waqas> evilotto: He's writing the server side I think.
[21:35:46] <orice_nick> i tried installing punjab which should do exactly this but it doesn't work
[21:35:54] <orice_nick> no i'm writing client side
[21:35:57] <waqas> orice_nick: Also, there are BOSH components available separately, which work with any XMPP server.
[21:36:10] <orice_nick> yes that's what i need
[21:36:13] <orice_nick> do you know any?
[21:36:14] <waqas> Ah, PunJab doesn't work for you?
[21:36:18] <orice_nick> no
[21:37:39] <waqas> http://metajack.im/2008/09/08/which-bosh-server-do-you-need/ has a list of components. See under Stand-alone BOSH.
[21:37:56] <waqas> *list of BOSH connection managers
[21:38:41] <evilotto> waqas: right; I think jwchat has a server component too that runs under tomcat.
[21:39:08] <orice_nick> thanks guys
[21:39:22] <evilotto> jaberhttpbind - http://blog.jwchat.org/jhb/
[21:40:01] <orice_nick> ok i will try the others
[21:40:03] <orice_nick> thanks again
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