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Sunday, 20 August 2006
Jabber Development (psa)
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[08:18:58] <日> Is there already a jabber2jabber transport somewhere?
[08:20:02] <Alex> yes, there was one on jabberstudio
[08:20:08] <Alex> but does that make sense?
[08:20:11] <Alex> we have s2s
[08:20:33] <Alex> and the xmpp federation
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[08:23:09] <日> Why not? Look at meebo they do it.
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[09:28:59] <Alex> they have GTALk <-> XMPP
[09:29:20] <Alex> must be left from the past where GTalk has no s2s
[09:29:29] <Alex> today it makes no sense for me
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[09:54:13] <eryc> hey Alex
[09:54:24] <eryc> what jabber server do you use?
[09:55:06] <Alex> you mean which server software?
[09:55:10] <eryc> yes
[09:55:22] <eryc> sorry that wasnt clear
[09:55:38] <Alex> different server software for different use cases
[09:56:00] <eryc> care to elaborate?
[09:57:10] <eryc> do any support jingle yet?
[09:58:28] <eryc> ok
[09:59:00] <eryc> well i'm looking at wildfire
[09:59:28] <eryc> is it lacking things the others have an advantage in?
[09:59:40] <eryc> i just thought you would know.
[10:02:05] <Alex> jingle support is a client feature, not a server feature
[10:02:30] <Alex> what do you mean by "care to elaborate?"
[10:02:40] <eryc> oh ok that makes sense
[10:02:50] <eryc> i mean what are the different use cases
[10:03:32] <eryc> which software is appropriate for each case
[10:03:44] <Alex> cooperate usage, personal usage, number of concurrent users (10, 1000, millions), server OS etc...
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[10:05:12] <eryc> hm
[10:05:27] <eryc> do any support millions of users?
[10:05:40] <eryc> that is interesting
[10:05:59] <Alex> yes
[10:06:18] <Alex> ejabber for example. You can cluster it
[10:06:19] <eryc> can u tell me which ones?
[10:06:22] <eryc> oh ok
[10:06:25] <Alex> ejabberd
[10:06:31] <eryc> can you cluster the others?
[10:06:59] <eryc> you still need a single db server for the updates tho?
[10:07:13] <eryc> or do you map users to db and mirror lookup servers
[10:07:34] <eryc> wildfire cant cluster?
[10:07:45] <Alex> not yet, they work on that
[10:07:56] <Alex> not sure if this will be available in the free version
[10:09:21] <eryc> what about Antepo how is it?
[10:09:25] <Alex> depends on your DB. There are DBs which also support clustering
[10:09:40] <Alex> i have no experience with the commercial servers
[10:09:48] <eryc> ok
[10:10:05] <Alex> Antepo, tipic, Jinc, Coversant etc...
[10:10:10] <eryc> so just jabber 1.x,2.x,ejabberd, and wildfire?
[10:10:37] <eryc> oh
[10:10:38] <Alex> not 2.x
[10:10:54] <eryc> why dont they list tipic, jinc, or coversant on jabber.org?
[10:11:02] <Alex> they do
[10:11:18] <Alex> http://www.jabber.org/software/servers.shtml
[10:11:29] <Alex> Jinc == Jabber XCP
[10:11:33] <eryc> ah
[10:11:42] <Alex> Jinc means Jabber inc.
[10:11:49] <Alex> the company name
[10:11:53] <eryc> tipic is timp.net?
[10:12:00] <Alex> ya
[10:12:10] <Alex> coversant is Soapbox
[10:12:10] <eryc> so which is coversant?
[10:12:12] <eryc> ok
[10:12:14] <eryc> thanks
[10:12:23] <Alex> is a windows server based on .NEt technology
[10:12:35] <eryc> im looking for unix based
[10:12:49] <eryc> i heard good things about wildfire but i want to cluster
[10:13:04] <eryc> jabber 2.x can cluster right?
[10:13:16] <eryc> i could maybe buy Jinc
[10:13:53] <eryc> well, thanks for the help.. i will do more research
[10:14:04] <Alex> i have no experience with jabberd 2.x, so can't comment this one
[10:14:28] <Alex> eJabebr is great for clustering if you have no problem with erlang ;-)
[10:14:31] <eryc> well i saw some studies and ejabber performance was way better than whichever version of 2.x they used
[10:14:44] <eryc> ya erlang.. heh
[10:15:00] <eryc> i dunno, i guess if it works
[10:15:02] <Alex> you can look in the Jive forums about clustering
[10:15:13] <Alex> or ask they guys about the enterprise features
[10:15:29] <Alex> many big servers run on ejabberd, so it works
[10:15:48] <eryc> yea, jabber.org does tight?
[10:15:51] <eryc> right
[10:15:58] <Alex> ya it does
[10:16:03] <eryc> i wonder what google uses
[10:16:13] <Alex> they wrote thier own server
[10:16:18] <eryc> ok
[10:18:15] <Alex> gizmo is using eJabberd too
[10:18:24] <Alex> i think they have some users :)
[10:18:32] <eryc> wildfire has some nice features
[10:18:38] <eryc> the enterprise version
[10:18:45] <Alex> yes, wildfire is very nice
[10:19:12] <Alex> i used it for small and medium business
[10:19:27] <Alex> or use
[10:20:06] <eryc> hm
[10:20:25] <eryc> and you use the connection managers?
[10:20:43] <eryc> it still backends to a single server it seems
[10:20:58] <Alex> not yet
[10:21:17] <Alex> on what kond of project are you workingß
[10:21:29] <Alex> how many users you want to conenct?
[10:21:43] <Alex> or is it a secret yet ;-)
[10:22:18] <eryc> i'm not too sure, i have to get new numbers
[10:22:23] <eryc> we are using jabberd now
[10:22:49] <eryc> i want good scalability but i like the customer chat routing in wildfire
[10:23:01] <Alex> i have a customer which works on a big local service with wildfire, but the service is not started yet, so we have no experience
[10:23:10] <eryc> if i use wildfire im afraid there would be no turning back
[10:23:34] <eryc> if i provide the features i cant turn them off easily
[10:23:49] <eryc> know what i mean?
[10:24:02] <Alex> if you have a sql backend you can write scripts to convert the data and user accounts
[10:24:10] <eryc> yes
[10:24:19] <eryc> i guess i just mean the customer chat part
[10:24:22] <Alex> ya i know what you mean
[10:24:32] <eryc> the rest should be migratable
[10:24:39] <Alex> i converted servers doem jabberd1 and wpjabberd to wildfire
[10:24:46] <Alex> but back would be hard :)
[10:24:56] <eryc> right now i'd say the usage is less than 1000
[10:25:01] <Alex> if you use the flat file system of jabberd1
[10:25:09] <eryc> probably less than 300
[10:25:18] <eryc> or aroudn that number
[10:25:22] <eryc> concurrent
[10:25:30] <eryc> yes i have flat xml files
[10:26:08] <eryc> jabber 1.x is stable, but this is not good implementation i have
[10:26:47] <eryc> also i may want to let users deploy their own customer chat
[10:26:50] <Alex> whats the problem with it?
[10:27:18] <eryc> peak concurrent sessions at max, not clustered
[10:27:19] <Alex> ya, wildfire is very nice here with the webbased admnistration
[10:27:22] <Alex> very easy to use
[10:27:25] <Alex> nice plugins
[10:27:33] <eryc> ya
[10:27:44] <Alex> give it a try
[10:27:48] <eryc> i see on jive forums there are asterisk projects
[10:27:54] <eryc> does wildfire have similar efforts?
[10:28:08] <eryc> i will definitely try wildfire
[10:28:12] <Alex> there is a asterisk plugin for wildfire
[10:28:16] <eryc> ok nice
[10:28:41] <Alex> http://www.jivesoftware.org/asterisk-im/
[10:28:59] <eryc> oh sorry
[10:29:02] <eryc> i got confused
[10:29:18] <eryc> thought jive was not wildfire.. i need sleep :)
[10:29:26] <Alex> :)
[10:29:51] <Alex> i need a break too, lubch time, BBIAB
[10:30:03] <eryc> ok
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[11:44:46] <TobiasFar> what is a corporate identity?
[11:45:22] <TobiasFar> ahh..just found...thanks anyway
[11:45:36] <Alex> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Identity
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[14:56:42] <ACID> Привет иностранцы! =)
[14:57:05] <ACID> Hi how r t here?
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[14:57:48] <legoscia> Нам лучше если вы нас называете "басурмане" ;)
[14:58:16] <ACID> Hey, u all from PC?
[14:59:05] <ACID> legoscia: Ну тада лучше буржуи =)))
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[15:01:36] <ACID> raultx86: How r u man?
[15:02:09] <raultx86> yep
[15:02:32] <ACID> What s yep?
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[15:05:21] <raultx86> i need help whit wildfire and ldap
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[15:07:26] <raultx86> see you guys
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[18:30:04] <TobiasFar> does somebody know how many clients supports Ad-hoc?
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[22:09:25] <tobiasfar> gn8
[22:09:58] <Alex> night
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