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[08:14:50] <Mazzachre> When I respond to an XEP-0244 stanza which is valid, but the function does not accept the data (It is possible to send valid data that are not adequate in our system), should I respond with an <iq type='error'> or an <iq type='result'> with io data error stuff in it?
[08:35:09] <dwd> Error, I'd have thought. You can be pretty detailed as to why, including providing your own XML to describe the error.
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[08:50:52] <Mazzachre> ya, I also think that is the best way...
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[08:53:38] <Mazzachre> Ah... the other system is for async errors..
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[09:07:51] <freeworm> Where HAL?
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[09:24:47] <newwarrior@jabber.lima-city.de> hi
[09:24:53] <newwarrior@jabber.lima-city.de> i have a litte question
[09:25:07] <newwarrior@jabber.lima-city.de> I want to creat in php a muc for an community
[09:25:20] <newwarrior@jabber.lima-city.de> how should i do this
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[13:49:03] <jendrek> czesc
[13:49:14] <jendrek> polska
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[13:50:50] <MattJ> !cz
[13:50:50] <xepbot> Česky si můžete popovídat v místnosti talk@conf.netlab.cz
[13:50:51] <MattJ> !pl
[13:50:51] <xepbot> Odwiedź pokoje randki@chat.papla.pl lub zło@conference.aqq.eu, jeśli chcesz pogadać po polsku, lub pomoc@chat.papla.pl, jeśli szukasz pomocy na temat Jabbera.
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[13:51:28] <jendrek> czesc
[13:53:25] <jendrek> witam was serdecznie
[13:54:30] <jendrek> pozdrawiam Lublin
[13:54:42] <jendrek> polska
[13:55:43] <jendrek> co to ukraina czy kuba
[13:56:18] <jendrek> poland wolny kraj
[13:57:38] <MattJ> jendrek, I'm not sure we can help you if you don't speak English
[13:57:49] <MattJ> but I'm sure you saw the messages above
[13:58:17] <jendrek> co to za kraj
[13:59:25] <jendrek> czy to englisz lokalization
[14:00:07] <jendrek> poland Lublin
[14:03:08] <jendrek> to jet LUBLIN http://www.lublin-art.pl/displayimage.php?album=120&pos=3
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[14:05:02] jendrek has been kicked: Jabber/XMPP development in English
[14:06:10] <Kev> Ooh, whose client supports kick reasons? :)
[14:06:25] <MattJ> Yours doesn't? :)
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[14:09:23] <ermine> it doesnt support even iq:time
[14:09:50] <MattJ> !idle Kev
[14:09:50] <xepbot> There was an error requesting Kev's idle time
[14:09:53] <MattJ> !idle ermine
[14:09:53] <xepbot> There was an error requesting ermine's idle time
[14:10:00] <MattJ> ermine, and yours? :)
[14:10:48] <ermine> MattJ: please parse the error, dude
[14:11:02] <MattJ> ermine, can't, right now :)
[14:11:06] <ermine> !time MattJ
[14:11:06] <xepbot> Error: bad argument #1 to 'time' (table expected, got string)
[14:11:14] <ermine> !time Kev
[14:11:14] <xepbot> Error: bad argument #1 to 'time' (table expected, got string)
[14:11:28] <MattJ> !time
[14:11:28] <xepbot> 1242069089
[14:11:30] <MattJ> ^
[14:11:34] <MattJ> Not XMPP time :)
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[14:13:44] <ermine> MattJ: try to write !cmd which will take xmlns as argument
[14:13:56] <ermine> (-:
[14:17:41] ermine started to consider how to implement this idea in sulci
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[15:12:39] <jendrek> I greet greetings for you from poland of city of lublin
[15:14:12] <johnny> welcome
[15:14:59] <jendrek> http://www.translate.pl/pl.php4
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[15:17:53] <jendrek> You can write about that przeszkadzm because I do not know
[15:19:55] <jendrek> My city is very pretty (beautiful) but you are with (from) country jakieko and cities possibly
[15:20:53] <Kev> jendrek: this room is about jabber
[15:25:36] <ermine> 'jabber' has its own meaning :)
[15:26:25] <ermine> so phrase "this room is about jabber" looks pretty funny
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[15:29:03] <ermine> stpeter: let us jabber! have you made any changes in xep 60?
[15:30:22] <stpeter> ermine: not yet, but the <redirect/> stuff is high on my list
[15:31:10] <ermine> stpeter: i would to say that it can conflict with pubsub#children_association_whitelist
[15:31:14] <stpeter> brb, I need some fresh air
[15:31:22] <stpeter> ermine: you're right
[15:38:57] <stpeter> heh cool http://askme.im/
[15:39:02] <stpeter> anyway, bbiaf
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[16:10:25] <MattJ> <db:verify type='error' to='78.129.140.219' from='getjabber.ath.cx' id='33753502' xmlns='jabber:client'><error type='cancel'><remote-server-not-found xmlns='urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas'></remote-server-not-found></error></db:verify>
[16:10:29] <MattJ> umm
[16:10:38] MattJ scratches his head and wonders where this came from :)
[16:11:23] <stpeter> hmph http://mikeg.typepad.com/perceptions/2009/05/oracle-beehive.html says "The instant messaging and presence is based on XMPP which is virtually a non-starter in many organizations."
[16:13:59] <MattJ> Heh, I guess they are supporting something else? :)
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[16:14:25] <MattJ> Oh, I didn't know Oracle used XMPP
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[16:22:21] <Fritzy> non-starter?
[16:22:23] <Florob> stpeter, don't let it get to you. They also call Windows Explorer a desktop productivity tool ;) And then there is that babble about integrating with other manufacturers clients. Whoever thinks supporting other peoples software is the way to good integration pretty much disqualifies himself IMHO
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[16:23:36] <stpeter> well he also said "Virtually all organizations I am talking to are looking at unified communications as a platform direction with SIP as a core technology anchor point. Oracle Beehive has no SIP story here."
[16:23:50] <stpeter> perhaps Mike isn't talking to the right organizations
[16:23:59] <stpeter> I don't hear anyone talking up SIP for IM and presence
[16:24:01] <stpeter> voice, yes
[16:24:38] <Florob> well it's not that SIMPLE *ducks*
[16:25:46] <stpeter> Fritzy: /me laughs at the quote in that email :)
[16:27:42] <johnny> that satorey was painful to read
[16:27:44] <johnny> story*
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[16:28:22] <Fritzy> stpeter: hey, you said to feel free to quote you. :)
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[16:33:40] <stpeter> Fritzy: and I meant it :)
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[16:49:07] <firefox> !
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[16:49:47] <stpeter> ?
[16:49:56] <firefox> ¿?
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[17:11:42] <mlundblad> !idle mlundblad
[17:11:42] <xepbot> mlundblad has been idle for 0h 0m 0s
[17:11:54] <stpeter> heh
[17:11:58] <mlundblad> aha, that worked
[17:11:59] <mlundblad> :)
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[17:15:14] <Fritzy> !idle stpeter
[17:15:14] <xepbot> There was an error requesting stpeter's idle time
[17:15:32] <stpeter> I am never idle!
[17:15:58] <Fritzy> sounds like you need a vacation
[17:16:19] <stpeter> well I've been somewhat lazy since finishing the XMPP book, I must admit
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[17:28:15] <stpeter> MattJ: woot!
[17:29:23] <MattJ> I consider myself done when I can disco Dave's server :)
[17:29:36] <stpeter> :)
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[17:59:56] <MattJ> My Lua client library actually takes a description of each XEP as a collection of XPath rules
[17:59:57] <stpeter> :)
[18:00:10] <MattJ> It would be interesting to derive this info from the XEP schemas instead
[18:00:17] <stpeter> or Relax NG :)
[18:00:18] <stpeter> but yeah
[18:00:27] <stpeter> I am totally willing to switch to Relax NG
[18:00:37] <stpeter> especially if it makes this kind of testing work easier
[18:01:02] <stpeter> but I need something to inspire me to do that work :)
[18:01:04] <MattJ> I think I missed what the advantages where
[18:01:10] <MattJ> *were, even
[18:01:18] <stpeter> less insane :)
[18:01:35] <stpeter> hey I just made a cool URL :) http://is.gd/yXxy
[18:01:36] <MattJ> So not solving a technical problem, as such?
[18:01:42] <MattJ> Heh
[18:01:55] <MattJ> xyzzy would have been great :)
[18:02:27] <stpeter> MattJ: also it is easier to describe unordered child elements in Relax NG
[18:02:41] <MattJ> I see
[18:05:33] <stpeter> ok I need to get the train, bbl
[18:05:45] <MattJ> See you
[18:06:09] <stpeter> ciao!
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[18:15:34] <Fritzy> MattJ: the reason I'm suggesting an API for sending config and getting results back instead of standardizing on a language is because you would fight for LUA, I would fight for Python, others would fight for Java, C, PHP, etc. Plus there are lots of tests that people have written for their own purposes that could be ported to use a standardized API instead of having to rewrite those in another language.
[18:15:48] <Fritzy> I really don't want to have the language fight.
[18:15:58] <Fritzy> I think people would be more willing to contribute with their language of choice
[18:19:26] <MattJ> Fritzy, I agree
[18:20:53] <Fritzy> MattJ: I think maybe you and I could work together on an API for config and results and implement it in LUA and Python to bootstrap the process, as Peter suggested.
[18:21:03] <MattJ> !LUA
[18:21:03] <xepbot> Lua is NOT LUA: http://www.lua.org/about.html#name
[18:21:04] <MattJ> .
[18:21:09] <Fritzy> sorry
[18:21:13] <Fritzy> Lua then.
[18:21:16] <MattJ> :)
[18:22:03] <MattJ> Well, we could always just use TAP
[18:22:29] <MattJ> and some unified (ini-style?) config
[18:22:41] <MattJ> and pass the config on the command-line
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[18:26:16] <Fritzy> Cool, I'll look into it.
[18:26:45] <Fritzy> reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_Anything_Protocol
[18:28:54] <Fritzy> yeah, TAP output would be fine -- so long as we didn't need to do anything terribly advanced.
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[18:29:19] <MattJ> I don't think we do
[18:29:32] <MattJ> When things go wrong you can output human-readable messages, and that's easy enough
[18:29:40] <Fritzy> right
[18:29:43] <MattJ> and when things go fine, a human shouldn't need to do a thing :)
[18:29:55] <Fritzy> *nod*
[18:30:23] MattJ needs to go and recover after Fritzy begins agreeing with him too much
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[18:39:59] <Fritzy> Well, we have a history of never agreeing on anything, but I think that's just coincidence. It's healthy to have conflicting opinions. In this test suite, I have every reason to compromise and take the simplest route.
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[22:07:52] <ovatuwa> Hello
[22:08:43] <ovatuwa> Any one there
[22:09:47] <ovatuwa> :(
[22:11:43] <ovatuwa> Is there anybody home :(
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