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[04:41:43] <Veacross> Hi
[04:42:19] <Veacross> Hi
[04:42:46] <punchagan> hi Veacross
[04:42:52] <Veacross> Whats up
[04:43:05] <punchagan> nothing much..
[04:43:22] <Veacross> Sounds fun?
[04:43:44] <punchagan> ;)
[04:43:48] <Veacross> I just started using Jabber
[04:43:51] <Veacross> its so weird
[04:45:18] <punchagan> hmm.
[04:45:22] <punchagan> i'm new to it too.
[04:45:27] <Veacross> Oh yeah?
[04:45:31] <Veacross> What client your using?
[04:46:02] <punchagan> i'm using gaim
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[04:49:05] <Veacross> wb
[04:49:28] <punchagan> thanks Veacross
[04:49:34] <Veacross> np
[04:49:37] <Veacross> Am using Psi
[04:49:40] <Veacross> btw
[04:49:44] <punchagan> oh k
[04:49:52] <Veacross> I thought Gaim was pigin now
[04:50:09] <punchagan> yes. i'm using an older version.
[04:50:31] <cstar> For all the pubsub experts here, I'd like to know why it's not possible to fetch a single item in a node in the xep-60.
[04:51:50] <cstar> I've been writing a AtomPub <-> pubsub bridge a bit like recommended here :
[04:51:50] <cstar> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-atompub-notify-06 [http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saintandre-atompub-notify-06]
[04:52:06] <Veacross> O.o
[04:52:12] <cstar> except that it's a module for ejabberd
[04:52:23] <Veacross> lol I barely started using jabber today :(
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[04:52:49] <cstar> oh right .... I should maybe talk on jdev
[04:52:54] <Veacross> lol
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[04:53:13] <Veacross> I feel like I figured out to tie a shoe or something. Like seriously...
[04:53:30] <Kev> cstar: you /can/ fetch only a single item
[04:53:45] <Kev> iirc there's a section on fetching all items, and then only single items.
[04:53:45] <cstar> but only the last
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[04:54:39] <Kev> ok, I see
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[04:55:23] <cstar> so basically I just query the mnesia table to acheive the same result. But that's not good practice ...
[04:55:36] <Kev> right
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[04:56:13] <Kev> why do you need to query specific items?
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[04:56:38] <cstar> AtomPub requires me to do that :)
[04:56:42] <Kev> ok
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[04:59:10] <cstar> basically, it's fully atompub compliant, and all entries are available both through pubsub and atompub. When a new entry is POST'ed through AtomPub, notifications are sent through pubsub. Also works the other way round :)
[04:59:50] <Kev> this would make more sense to me if I was up on atompub, I suspect :)
[04:59:55] <cstar> hehe
[04:59:58] <Kev> but...cool!
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[06:38:48] <nyprospect> 33 m uncut looking for horny cocks to piss on me and suck
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[06:43:39] <nyprospect> horny cocks?
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[08:01:29] <Dallas[w]> wow
[08:01:31] <Dallas[w]> flood
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[08:09:55] <Dallas[w]> Kev, TobiasFar? can someone take care of HAL?
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[08:10:17] <TobiasFar> i could
[08:12:14] <TobiasFar> i can't ban him...ejabberd seems not to be able to do that
[08:12:15] <TobiasFar> :)
[08:12:23] <Dallas[w]> heh
[08:12:23] <TobiasFar> i reacts with an error
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[08:24:23] <HAL2> let's see if it keeps joining when his nick is used
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[08:28:15] <MattJ> Hmm
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[08:28:19] <MattJ> .
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[08:32:01] <MattJ> Hmmmm
[08:32:44] <TobiasFar> is Hmmmm the command to get him stop? :)
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[08:32:58] <MattJ> Right
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[08:33:14] <MattJ> GAH
[08:33:20] <MattJ> I found the cause
[08:33:45] <TobiasFar> gloox?
[08:33:53] <MattJ> Well, yes, gloox
[08:33:56] <TobiasFar> lol
[08:34:01] <MattJ> The type=error crash
[08:34:02] <MattJ> But
[08:34:18] <MattJ> The error was not a nick conflict
[08:34:28] <MattJ> Someone has banned him from a room he was in
[08:34:45] <TobiasFar> he...but still i don't get this crash?
[08:34:52] <MattJ> Well I get it
[08:34:57] <MattJ> My server gets it
[08:34:59] <MattJ> Jakob gets it
[08:35:05] <TobiasFar> hehe
[08:35:07] <MattJ> Are you sure you tested the right version? :)
[08:35:14] <TobiasFar> yeah :)
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[08:35:26] <Kev> I banned him, Matt
[08:35:34] <Kev> I banned him from jdev, because he was doing that
[08:35:41] <TobiasFar> Kev: you made it worse :D
[08:35:47] <Kev> I doubt it
[08:35:51] <MattJ> Oh, I just noticed
[08:35:52] <Kev> it was pretty bad to start with :)
[08:35:58] <MattJ> Yes
[08:36:02] <MattJ> Someone banned him elsewhere
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[08:36:14] <Kev> I didn't care about in here, but I was trying to have a conversation in jdev :)
[08:36:21] <MattJ> np
[08:36:38] <MattJ> I may set a bounty to fix this gloox bug :)
[08:36:45] <MattJ> It's really annoying
[08:36:50] <TobiasFar> MattJ: /me listens :)
[08:36:59] <Kev> couldn't you just fix it? :)
[08:37:00] <MattJ> TobiasFar, you think it doesn't exist :)
[08:37:07] <MattJ> Tried, I can't find it
[08:37:16] <MattJ> Jakob looked, he couldn't find it
[08:37:19] <MattJ> He says he hasn't got time atm
[08:37:22] <TobiasFar> MattJ: if you pay me i think what you want :P
[08:37:42] <MattJ> .
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[09:51:46] <niekie> !callniekie Test
[09:51:48] <HAL3 > Message sent!
[09:52:09] <niekie> !callniekie Wow, it actually works again.
[09:52:10] <HAL3 > Message sent!
[09:52:46] <niekie> Well... let's upgrade Asterisk then :)
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[10:02:03] <MattJ> !xep personal
[10:02:05] <HAL3 > XEP-0163: Personal Eventing via Pubsub is Standards Track (Draft, 2007-09-26) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0163.html
[10:02:10] <MattJ> !xep 60
[10:02:10] <HAL3 > XEP-0060: Publish-Subscribe is Standards Track (Draft, 2008-03-05) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html
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[10:04:01] <MattJ> !xep mood
[10:04:01] <HAL3 > XEP-0107: User Mood is Standards Track (Draft, 2007-06-04) See: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0107.html
[10:04:05] <niekie> !callniekie Moo
[10:04:06] <HAL3 > Message sent!
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[10:19:36] <topyli> does JID forwarding exist, like for email? so that myname@vanitydomain.com really redirects to me@server.org :)
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[10:21:36] <MattJ> I wish :)
[10:21:50] <MattJ> I think one solution is to use a Jabber gateway, like [j2j]
[10:21:50] <HAL3 > http://wiki.jrudevels.org/index.php/Eng:J2J Bork bork bork!
[10:23:40] <topyli> bork indeed :)
[10:25:21] <topyli> mattj: yeah but j2j doesn't give me a me@vanity.com JID
[10:25:49] <MattJ> I am assuming that a Jabber server is running at vanity.com
[10:27:36] <topyli> yeah. my problem is that no vanity.com server physically exists :)
[10:28:01] <MattJ> Right, ok
[10:28:18] <topyli> there's a website somewhere, and a gmail mailbox, and of course the namesever
[10:28:41] <MattJ> You could use SRV records to point it at another server, but that requires cooperation of the server admins
[10:29:59] <topyli> yeah i don't think it's worth making a fool of myself over :)
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[10:34:29] <alban> I cannot use the SVN command as explained on this page http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/sourcecontrol.shtml
[10:34:49] <Kev> correct, the XSF's SVN is currently down
[10:34:52] <Kev> we'll get it back up soon
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[10:52:51] <dynam1te> topyli: you could use srv records to point at google's xmpp servers
[10:53:57] <topyli> dynam1te: so i would ask my nameserver admins to do that?
[10:54:36] <dynam1te> well, you need to tell google that you want to do that using their web interface
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[10:58:10] <dynam1te> in order to use google talk on your own domain, you need a google mail account of your own and you need to configure google talk accordingly in some way
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[10:59:29] <dynam1te> you should read google's documentation on this
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[11:01:08] <topyli> dynam1te: ok, so i need gmail for my domain?
[11:01:56] <topyli> that might be a problem, the vanity domain is my-last-name.net with about 20 people
[11:02:19] <topyli> might have trouble convincing them all about the benefits :)
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[11:05:32] <HedgeMage> topyli: there's also http://flosoft.biz/products_hosting_jabber.php -- I haven't tried it, but I know someone who works there and he's very involved in the jabber world
[11:06:34] <topyli> hedgemage: ooh hosted jabber
[11:06:45] HedgeMage nods
[11:06:53] <topyli> i like having my stuff on Other People's Servers
[11:07:02] <topyli> that's how all my stuff works :)
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[11:08:05] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:08:16] <topyli> thanks, i'll take a look :)
[11:08:58] <topyli> i've learned over the years that Other People's Servers are more likely to stay online than my servers
[11:11:13] <dynam1te> http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=34143
[11:11:44] <dynam1te> it might be possible to use google talk without switching to google mail
[11:12:37] <dynam1te> what you need is any kind of googlemail account
[11:13:26] <topyli> check. i also have a google apps account but i never did move the domain
[11:14:14] <dynam1te> you need to convince google that you own the domain and create srv records for s2s
[11:14:36] <dynam1te> you should also create srv records for client access
[11:14:55] <dynam1te> otherwise, your client won't find the server
[11:17:46] <topyli> google talk for my domain would be a good solution, if indeed it is possible without moving mail
[11:18:36] <topyli> not ideal, because it's not the most full-featured jabber server around afaik
[11:19:50] <topyli> actually i haven't explored the gmail for your domain option properly either. it might well be possible to use it without bothering other users
[11:20:08] <topyli> if i could redirect their mail silently without bothering them, all would be fine
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[11:20:26] <dynam1te> moving mail to another server would mean changing the mx record
[11:21:22] <dynam1te> if you don't change your mx record, xmpp shouldn't stop working and your mail will still go to your old server
[11:22:08] <dynam1te> what you might need to do is telling google that you wanted to use google mail for your domain
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[11:22:44] <dynam1te> however, i don't know another company that provides hosted jabber
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[11:23:55] <topyli> i will read their docs some more
[11:24:41] <topyli> i might well use both mail and talk for my domain, as long as i can redirect the other users' mail to their current mailboxes without bothering them
[11:24:46] <DeSnajpa_VI> afair smoku's chrome.pl will provide xmpp hosting from 1st May
[11:25:37] <HedgeMage> there's the link I just pasted, dynam1te, topyli
[11:26:38] <topyli> yes, flosoft.biz
[11:28:35] <topyli> the free jabber hosting requires a paid webhosting package
[11:31:54] HedgeMage shrugs
[11:32:00] <HedgeMage> not everything in life is free
[11:32:37] <dynam1te> and it allowes just one user
[11:32:50] <MattJ> !hosting
[11:32:50] <HAL3 > http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Jabber_Hosting_Possibilities
[11:32:57] <HedgeMage> dynam1te: they have other packages
[11:33:57] <niekie> I have hosted Jabber too :-)
[11:34:10] <HedgeMage> nifty :)
[11:34:18] <niekie> But.. I wouldn't get my host.. things like http://niekie.com/noooo.png could happen :P
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[11:36:14] <MattJ> You threatened to spam me!
[11:37:34] <niekie> Only because you're being lazy :D
[11:37:45] <MattJ> .
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[11:43:25] <HedgeMage> lol
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[13:16:55] <topyli> dynam1te: ok, i activated google apps. by default, mail is *not* active, but chat is. this is exactly what i want
[13:17:51] <topyli> my website is also at the old host, not a blank googlepages document :)
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[13:20:09] <topyli> now, on to figure out the srv record change
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[13:47:26] <mr.ice> здарова
[13:47:36] <mr.ice> :-)
[13:47:46] <mr.ice> hello
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[13:53:41] <mr.ice> pepole
[13:54:04] <MattJ> Hello mr.ice
[13:54:12] <mr.ice> Hello
[13:54:53] <mr.ice> where do you live
[13:55:06] <MattJ> Why do you want to know?
[13:55:17] <mr.ice> i from Rus
[13:55:20] <mr.ice> ))
[13:55:32] <mr.ice> Usa
[13:55:36] <mr.ice> USA
[13:56:05] <MattJ> Make your mind up :)
[13:56:10] <MattJ> This is the Jabber help room
[13:56:28] <MattJ> If you want general [chat], see this room:
[13:56:28] <HAL3 > A room for general off-topic chat: chat@conference.jabber.org - anyone is welcome!
[13:59:38] <mr.ice> girls
[13:59:43] <mr.ice> :-)
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[15:12:35] <Masood740> Hi
[15:13:20] <Masood740> I am from US
[15:14:21] <judas.> training?
[15:14:53] <Masood740> Yes
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[15:15:51] <obadiah> training?
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[15:16:58] <micah> learning?
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[15:19:59] <judas.> jingle!
[15:20:03] <estabon> .bak open/!
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[15:24:50] <obadiah> chill... grille some ribeyes!
[15:26:33] <micah> digitize some thing!
[15:28:31] <obadiah> !define anchor point
[15:28:34] <HAL3 > I'm not sure what it is
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[15:32:33] <obadiah> anchor point is the point that a path in vector starts then closes!
[15:33:59] <micah> !define vector
[15:34:01] <HAL3 > 'vector' could refer to many things, for example: Vector (spatial), vector space, row vector, Probability vector, statistics
[15:37:52] <obadiah> !vector is scalable?
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[15:40:17] <obadiah> !define scalable
[15:40:19] <HAL3 > In telecommunications and software engineering, *scalability* is a desirable property of a system, a network, or a process, which indicates its ability to either handle growing amounts of work in a graceful manner, or to be readily enlarged.
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[15:45:38] <micah> there is a large crowd!
[15:47:03] <obadiah> !define cheery holmes
[15:47:04] <HAL3 > I'm not sure what it is
[15:48:25] <obadiah> !define jdev
[15:48:26] <HAL3 > I'm not sure what it is
[15:48:47] <obadiah> see
[15:49:08] <obadiah> + bind
[15:49:15] <micah> K
[15:51:34] <obadiah> & cstar is silent?
[15:52:08] <micah> chewtoy!
[15:54:42] <obadiah> see// look at scoundrels EMPTY!
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[15:59:29] <MattJ> !nick TobiasFar
[15:59:32] <MattJ> !ding
[15:59:32] <HAL3 > dong
[15:59:45] <TobiasFar> MattJ: ?
[16:00:08] <MattJ> I wonder why it is only happening sometimes
[16:00:15] <MattJ> !nick TobiasFar
[16:00:31] <MattJ> Oh
[16:00:37] <obadiah> :)
[16:00:47] <MattJ> Strange :)
[16:01:06] <MattJ> ^C ftw...
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[16:01:31] <obadiah> a can of Raid will get rid of the ants.
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[16:03:48] <obadiah> forgive me?
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[16:04:32] <MattJ> obadiah, what do ants have to do with Jabber?
[16:04:48] <obadiah> no thing!
[16:04:50] <MattJ> I can't help but wonder what you talk about sometimes
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[16:05:36] <obadiah> hugs and kisses to Matt!
[16:06:20] <obadiah> you are still my hero.
[16:07:26] <obadiah> !define wall flowers
[16:07:27] <HAL3 > I'm not sure what it is
[16:07:42] <obadiah> hmmm!
[16:09:37] <Veacross> Hi
[16:09:44] <MattJ> Hi Veacross
[16:10:01] <Veacross> I thought there were more people here?
[16:10:14] <micah> Matt is so smart... and cool YALL should stand up now; and pay homage?
[16:11:26] <MattJ> Veacross, like, how many? :)
[16:11:33] <MattJ> micah, no thanks
[16:11:50] <obadiah> likes humble!
[16:13:43] <Veacross> MattJ: Dunno just looked like alot more when I checked
[16:14:24] <MattJ> Checked when?
[16:14:35] <MattJ> !do count(room.occupants)
[16:14:35] <HAL3 > Result: 31
[16:15:08] <Veacross> !count
[16:15:08] <HAL3 > Error: utils.lua:493: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)
[16:15:54] <Veacross> Am confused :3
[16:16:12] <MattJ> There are 31 people here
[16:16:28] <Veacross> I am only seeing the 2 mods phil and myself
[16:17:15] <obadiah> the room is stacked!
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[16:17:56] <Veacross> Anyone know any good servers with public chats?
[16:18:04] <MattJ> !mucsearch
[16:18:05] <HAL3 > http://search.wensley.org.uk
[16:18:39] <Veacross> !mucsearch
[16:18:39] <HAL3 > http://search.wensley.org.uk
[16:19:32] <obadiah> !commands
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[16:20:01] <obadiah> !ping
[16:20:07] <obadiah> locked
[16:20:37] <obadiah> send gabriel?
[16:21:12] <obadiah> ping
[16:21:55] <obadiah> gabriel has strength!
[16:23:49] <obadiah> !version
[16:25:44] <obadiah> !hared times
[16:27:04] <obadiah> shall challenge this robot from another direction :)
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[17:36:15] <MattJ> !join nowhere@example.com
[17:36:33] <TobiasFar> !ping
[17:37:00] <MattJ> !ding
[17:37:00] <HAL3 > dong
[17:37:15] <TobiasFar> !ramalama
[17:37:16] <TobiasFar> :P
[17:37:17] <MattJ> sleek used to reply to !ping, so HAL doesn't reply when sleek is here
[17:37:23] <TobiasFar> ok
[17:37:34] <MattJ> But sleek is borken
[17:37:45] <TobiasFar> sleek: more than hal?
[17:37:51] <MattJ> !nick waqas
[17:38:03] <MattJ> No crash :)
[17:41:12] <TobiasFar> hehe
[17:41:13] <TobiasFar> :)
[17:41:47] <TobiasFar> though i haven't heard a single /Thanks/ yet :)
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[17:46:17] <MattJ> TobiasFar, name your prize :)
[17:46:37] <TobiasFar> hehe
[17:46:39] <MattJ> Even though all you did was comment a single line, and that probably causes a memory leak :D
[17:47:14] <TobiasFar> i already told you
[17:48:27] <MattJ> Still, I owe you for fixing the only thing that is known to crash HAL :)
[17:48:33] <MattJ> Except...
[17:48:36] <MattJ> one thing
[17:48:40] <MattJ> Which is secret until I fix it
[17:49:43] <TobiasFar> hehe
[17:50:16] <TobiasFar> gn8
[17:50:18] <TobiasFar> :)
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[18:05:49] <Captain Obvious> Silence, you ossified rats!
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[19:58:19] <MattJ> .
[19:58:27] <Dallas[h]> .
[19:58:34] <MattJ> !ding
[19:58:35] <HAL3 > dong
[19:58:38] <MattJ> Odd
[19:58:44] <Dallas[h]> !ping
[19:58:48] <Dallas[h]> Even
[19:58:49] <Dallas[h]> :/
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[21:08:49] <jlee> so i just setup my first Jabber server on Ubuntu. Looks like it works
[21:09:06] <Dallas[h]> that's cool
[21:09:15] <jlee> Still having a few odd issues with talking to Google's jabber servers but I think I got it figured out...
[21:10:38] <jlee> as usual, it was the firewall, as usual, I didn't think about the firewall till I was pulling out my hair
[21:11:53] <MattJ> Heh
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[21:17:09] <jlee> odd, now I seem to be able to talk to my gmail.com account but the gmail account can't respond...
[21:17:56] <MattJ> Definitely not firewall this time? (you have 5269 incoming)
[21:22:00] <jlee> well could I be on this group right now if my server wasn't? I'm wondering if all Google is refusing to retry the connection for awhile since it kept on failing while my firewall wasn't open... I might just call it a night and hope to find it working in the AM.
[21:22:39] <MattJ> jlee, good idea
[21:22:55] <MattJ> I didn't know you were joined here from your server :)
[21:24:14] <jlee> didn't mean that to sound harsh, I was the one that forgot about my firewall in the first place :-)
[21:24:26] <jlee> thanks guys, goodnight
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[21:53:58] <doubledigitz> Hey is there a way to contact aim people on here
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[21:55:50] <doubledigitz> Fine
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[22:00:43] <HedgeMage> silly flybys
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[22:02:24] <HedgeMage> hello, vetetix
[22:02:58] <vetetix> hi
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