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[09:29:20] * has set the topic to "Server Migration underway (August 20), now shaking down issues, see http://www.jabber.org/notices.html for details! | Welcome to the Jabber/XMPP help room! | Visit discuss@conference.jabber.org to talk about other topics. This room chats in English. | Find other chatrooms at http://search.wensley.org.uk/".
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[09:33:48] <> yay
[09:34:06] <> huge success?
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[09:34:19] <> Jury's out at the moment.
[09:34:23] <> ah.
[09:34:38] <> Trying to fix issues as fast as we can.
[09:35:00] <> but this is happening at the new hardware?
[09:35:11] <> this, us, chatting.
[09:35:16] <> Yes, we're on new hardware and new software.
[09:35:58] <> yea, look at this. I got my own stuff in service disco
[09:37:26] <> delimiter, tune, avatar:metadata. Going on for ever.
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[10:14:17] <> all done?
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[10:45:21] <> KiDo: No.
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[11:04:23] <> Going down again.
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[11:07:42] <> Kevmin: I've told stpeter about a bug admins can make others admins hope it fixed
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[11:08:25] <> It's fixed.
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[12:27:37] <> Going down.
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[13:54:48] <> Ah, I'm in!
[13:55:46] <> I use my google talk account and people tell me that there is a ressource called MessagingeUEOg89023 that is always online, even when all my devices are turned off. Any idea what that is or how I could figure out what it is?
[13:56:24] <> michaelgzinn: Roughly speaking, GTalk is broken for MUC and it's best to use an account somewhere else if you want to use MUCs.
[13:57:04] <> Oh, so you can't read what I write? So far it seems to work from my side.
[13:57:17] <> Yes, I can read what you're writing. But Things Go Wrong.
[13:57:25] <> At least unless they've fixed the server recentlyish.
[13:58:13] <> Alright, it might be better to change to a different server. So is the MessagingEUD*)oe890 ressource something google runs or is my account compromised?
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[14:00:36] <> Resources on GTalk are partly randomised. You shouldn't ever care what your resource is, the server is always allowed to pict its own.
[14:01:35] <> No, I have two devices and three resources and I don't know where this third ressource is. A friend uses a different server and he's only online with one ressource.
[14:01:50] <> Most likely, it's stale.
[14:02:18] <> I was on vacation for a week and it was online all the time.
[14:02:21] <> But it could be compromised, of course.
[14:02:36] <> You can always change your password etc. if you suspect compromise.
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[14:03:20] <> heh, weird.
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[14:06:40] <> hm. changed my google password, but I can still chat with pidgin. weird...
[14:08:09] <> That's actually a bit irritating. Can you see the account I'm using or only my alias?
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[14:09:38] <> how does authentification work on xmpp? does every ressource have a token? When will me changing my password kick all my ressources?
[14:09:41] <> michaelgzinn, you can also connect with that specific resource, it will kick it.
[14:09:57] <> But I don't know where that ressource is. Or what it is.
[14:10:00] <> michaelgzinn, you can also connect with that specific resource, that* will kick it.
[14:10:14] <> Oh, nice, last message correction now works on that server. :)
[14:10:39] <> is there a way to retrieve more information of a resource?
[14:11:24] <> You can send it queries (for example software version), but when one client is authenticated you can’t kick it just by changing your password.
[14:11:39] <> so when will it get kicked?
[14:12:06] <> I’d say never.
[14:12:32] <> You should join with the same resource, as I said earlier.
[14:12:39] <> If that doesn’t work, contact google.
[14:12:54] <> You mean create a ressource with the same name?
[14:13:55] <> Yeah.
[14:14:12] <> ok, I'll try that next. How can I query the software version first.
[14:14:13] <> ?
[14:15:31] <> It depends on your client; with Gajim open a conversation with it and click on the blue i, with poezio use /version, I don’t know how in other clients.
[14:17:08] <> michaelgzinn: In this room, mods can see your JID, participants can't.
[14:18:25] <> Can you see my ressource named messaging and can you find out anything about it? (if it's not that much work)
[14:18:52] <> I can only see the JID that you joined this room with, not other resources.
[14:19:05] <> I see. Hm.
[14:19:55] <> I guess there is no security risk with sharing resources instead of just JIDs, right?
[14:20:35] <> Resources are part of your full JID.
[14:20:46] <> But I don't understand the question.
[14:20:50] <> Can you look at my resourse named MessagingA4a9e5ab1 ?
[14:21:09] <> I mean that you currently see my JID containing something like "Desktop" as the resource, right?
[14:21:51] <> And I wonder what my always on ressource called MessagingA4a9e5ab1 might be, but I can't figure out how to query it in Pidgin, so I was wondering if you could query it.
[14:21:52] <> Additionaly, I think google prevents messages and iqs to reach people whom we are not in the roster.
[14:27:49] <> ...and the mysterious Messaging ressource just disappeared.
[14:28:15] <> I guess we'll never know :-/
[14:30:19] <> thanks, I'll leave it at that. Looks like there's nothing left to do.
[14:30:32] <> Have a nice day, bye!
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[16:17:33] <> so now all done?
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[18:15:01] <> /me gingerly pokes the room with a stick as if it might disappear out from under him again. oO
[18:15:42] <> /me sucker punches nomadofnorad for poking around
[18:16:07] <> Welcome to jabber.org :D
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[18:23:02] <> ick!
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[18:54:01] <> Huh?
[18:54:08] <> Whats that
[18:54:30] <> So got it!
[18:54:41] <> pengwen: ?
[18:54:49] <> »pengwen> ick!
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[18:59:55] <> Kitten: oit20:19 * nomadofnorad gingerly pokes the room with a stick
[19:00:08] <> eh, enter-mishap there
[19:00:24] <> Kitten: it was a respons to 20:19 * nomadofnorad gingerly pokes the room with a stick
[19:05:36] <> pengwen: :lol:
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[19:06:54] <> hmm
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[19:07:00] <> mmh?
[19:07:02] <> Hmm?
[19:07:08] <> interesting
[19:07:19] <> indeed
[19:07:29] <> it seems that I can send messages from peter@jabber.org but not stpeter@jabber.org
[19:07:29] <> *fie*
[19:07:44] <> »psa> it seems that I can send messages from peter@jabber.org but not stpeter@jabber.org Why
[19:08:35] <> maybe stpeter got rate-limited
[19:08:58] <> Haha
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[20:52:49] <> admin bug been solved high five
[20:53:05] <> great!
[20:53:11] <> thanks for letting us know
[20:56:44] <> nah , thanx for fixin it
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[21:00:46] <> 5$ and I'll find new bug :D
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[21:58:14] <> is it possible that there's some problems happen only in one room on a server but not others???
[21:59:00] <> KiDo: probably not
[21:59:06] <> KiDo: but what's the problem?
[21:59:28] <> KiDo: it's possible that some combinations of room configuration options cause some trouble that I don't know about
[22:00:26] <> psa: in indonesia room , jids with different servers are leaving at the same time yo know , like 8 people leave at the same moment but this doesn't happen in here or in another rooms that I'm in
[22:00:51] * has set the topic to "Server migration complete, expect some residual instability, see http://www.jabber.org/notices.html for details! | Welcome to the Jabber/XMPP help room! | Visit discuss@conference.jabber.org to talk about other topics. This room chats in English. | Find other chatrooms at http://search.wensley.org.uk/".
[22:01:01] <> hmm
[22:01:04] <> even @jabber.org jids r leaving
[22:01:13] <> ok I'll join and see what happens
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[22:02:17] <> KiDo: by the way, people keep asking me for administrative privileges for rooms like Aleppo and Syria
[22:02:28] <> (but their Arabic equivalents, of course)
[22:02:58] <> psa: is it possible that the reason is the lists in indonesia r full !!! I mean , banlist is over 5000 jid :D
[22:03:05] <> hmm
[22:03:12] <> *maybe*
[22:03:17] <> anything is possible with software ;-)
[22:03:24] <> psa: I don't know about that , never joined Aleppo & Syria rooms
[22:03:33] <> there's no owner there???
[22:03:49] <> KiDo: it is difficult for the administrators of jabber.org because we don't understand Arabic
[22:04:06] <> draco will have a heart attack if I'll remove some of banned jids :D
[22:04:08] <> KiDo: maybe not -- I couldn't figure out who deserved to be the owner
[22:04:48] <> psa: aleppo is empty
[22:04:51] <> KiDo: I see what you mean abotu the ban list :-)
[22:05:27] <> syria , error 403
[22:09:31] <> psa: just an opinion just don't give a full trust on someone arabic if you don't know him I'm arabic and I know what I mean I don't mean they all bad but there's a lot of untrusted guys here
[22:10:32] <> still "just opinion"
[22:11:13] <> KiDo: yes, that's how I operate today
[22:11:24] <> but thanks for the validation :-)
[22:12:10] <> no problem at all
[22:12:49] <> one last question when registration will be available?
[22:12:54] <> ah
[22:12:56] <> soon
[22:13:08] <> we need to let the server installation rest for a few days
[22:13:11] <> so probably next week
[22:14:34] <> great , thanks
[22:20:21] <> [01:07:19] | ◕♥♫BEST◕♥♫LOVER◕ has left: [01:07:19] | تشلسي has left: [01:07:19] | BATMAN has left [01:07:19] | أميرالسعوديه has left [01:07:19] | Avril/snaa has left [01:07:19] | باتو has left
[22:20:36] <> 6 users different servers left same second
[22:21:47] <> KiDo: on what server is that
[22:21:58] <> KiDo: what IM client are you using?
[22:22:43] <> Kitten: room jabber.org users on jabber.org talkonaut.com jabber.ru x20.me xmpp.ru
[22:22:48] <> psa: qip
[22:23:13] <> KiDo: I think your IM software is bunching up the joins and leaves, because I don't see that behavior when I join the room using Psi
[22:23:20] <> KiDo: :-D i tried join it but cant :lol:
[22:23:44] <> yes I just saw it
[22:24:04] <> I'll check out using gajim
[22:24:16] <> it seems that most of the users are using Talkonaut
[22:24:24] <> psa: weirdest thing i can join this room but cant join indonesia :D it doesnt even show error so weird
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[22:24:53] <> yea , mostly Talkonaut
[22:25:00] <> Kitten: maybe you're on the ban list :-)
[22:26:04] <> nope, not on the ban list
[22:26:27] <> no :D I can't ban her , she's my friend
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[22:27:13] <> heh
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[22:28:07] <> »psa> Kitten: maybe you're on the ban list :-) No :D it would show error then that im banned from that room
[22:28:15] <> ok o_0 this is another weird thing
[22:28:20] <> .
[22:28:28] <> I quit app n opened again now i will see if il can join
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[22:31:11] <> I'm about to get a headache
[22:31:24] <> KiDo: sorry to hear it :(
[22:31:24] <> I was online using qip client
[22:31:38] <> KiDo psa weird, same, it dont even join http://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1002899_191100151068771_1283299653_n.jpg
[22:32:12] <> then I ran gajim and psi+ with same jid but different resource and all clients joined same rooms am in without showing conflict !!!
[22:32:47] <> well, you can join the same room with different nicks
[22:33:04] <> joining with the same nick is not as easy (unless our Isode friends added support for it)
[22:33:55] <> yea but I'm in this room with 3 different clients and with same nick
[22:34:20] <> this message sent from qip
[22:34:34] <> and this from psi+
[22:34:54] <> heh
[22:35:04] <> so I guess that Isode added support for that feature
[22:36:34] <> could be check out my details even the client lost :D don't know which to show
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