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[17:09:04] <> hi
[17:10:23] <> Hello.
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[17:58:34] <> With the new IM observatory and the public server directory at xmpp.net, the old xml lists are going to be deprecated? I'm
seeing servers at https://xmpp.net/directory.php that are not in http://xmpp.org/services/services-full.xml
[18:13:35] <> naw: There are new XEP about this: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0267.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0309.html
[18:15:59] <> by the way, I'm the author of the jabberes.org list, that now is back online
[18:17:22] <> the bot at jabberes.org relies on that xml and the one from jabber.at to get the list of servers to scan
[18:19:10] <> naw: url of the list?
[18:19:23] <> http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
[18:19:37] <> the list needs a cleanup of old servers
[18:20:33] <> also, the uptime may be no 100% due to s2s issues at jabberes
[18:21:05] <> and the code: https://code.google.com/p/xmpp-server-scanner/
[18:22:58] <> Our transport is only visible to internal jid so that's why it can't detect
[18:25:41] <> the list was an attemp to help users to find transports... but right now I don't know if transports are still important for
users... I doubt it
[18:26:06] <> yeah
[18:28:40] <> what server is used by jabberes.org?
[18:31:17] <> ejabberd
[18:32:43] <> i see
[18:34:10] <> nowadays i doubt people are still using the authentic jabber services
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[18:34:29] <> "Authentic Jabber services"?
[18:35:39] <> login using jid
[18:36:16] <> ?
[18:37:04] <> well as you know there are so many chat services out there
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[18:38:47] <> even if they are using xmpp/jabber server, usually the make an inovation to their services, such as create their own mobile
client, auto detect based on their cellphone number, etc.
[18:40:25] <> the technology possibly still being used but with different presentation
[18:40:50] <> so, you mean that there are much more people usong closed xmpp-based services than the open and federated xmpp network
[18:41:07] <> yes, that happens
[18:43:11] <> closed xmpp based services with more attractive presentation
[18:44:15] <> Neustradamus: XEP-0267 and 0309 are deferred...
[18:46:06] <> It just like a meat, who doesn't know how it looks like, but if you know to cook it well and can arrange it in a dish, i'm
sure people will eat it
[18:48:06] <> by the way, do you know from where does the IM observatory gets the server list?
[18:48:37] <> It remembers services that people enter, I believe.
[18:48:59] <> Well, depending which list you mean.
[18:49:18] <> The directory is the same as was on xmpp.net alread, I believe.
[18:53:07] <> oh, then it may just happen that the xml file is just out of sync
[18:54:42] <> hmmm the xml file is also hosted at xmpp.org, not xmpp.net...
[19:05:03] <> naw: I know that jabberes is back online :)
deferred: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html#states-Deferred
[19:06:31] <> Neustradamus: "WARNING: Consideration of this document has been Deferred by the XMPP Standards Foundation. Implementation
of the protocol described herein is not recommended."
[19:06:42] <> Unlike Experimental?
[19:07:16] <> But yes, Deferred does say that.
[19:07:30] <> Reality is a little more nuanced than the text.
[19:07:54] <> Metronome has added support: http://www.lightwitch.org/blogger/maranda/2013/10/metronome-im-v29-released
[19:07:56] <> Lots of deferred stuff is abandoned. Some is actively developed but not recently updated.
[19:13:48] <> ok, the xml server lists seems to be way out of sync
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