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[15:47:27] <> aw. stpeter was here and I missed him because my MUC connection failed :(
[15:47:59] <> protocol question: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html#protocol says, the node attribute "uniquely identifies a software application" - when multiple applications use the same library, should they share the node to make caps caching more effective, or should each one have its own node, so they can be distinguished according to the recommendation?
[15:48:44] <> I'd suggest the latter
[15:48:44] <> I would say the latter, library != application
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[15:49:32] <> Different clients should have different nodes.
[15:49:58] <> Kev and whould should that be so?
[15:50:24] <> ?
[15:50:50] <> If many clients use the share library and the same feature set, they entit caps ver string could be shared accross them. Plus isn't that what xep30 identites are for? Determine the client running?
[15:51:00] <> s/share/same
[15:51:24] <> But sharing a library doesn't imply the same feature set.
[15:51:41] <> is the node string part of the hash input?
[15:51:51] <> Correct, but there is still a possibility that they share the same feature that
[15:52:07] <> Is the node supposed to identify the client itself or the xmpp implementation?
[15:52:28] <> The application, according to 115, I think.
[15:52:28] <> deryni: I was always under the assumption that xep115 node does determine the implementation
[15:52:41] <> i.e. the client or server.
[15:52:58] <> "software application" / "software product" is the wording. try to get smart of it :>
[15:53:00] <> after all, what good for are xep30 idenities then?
[15:54:03] <> And my second argument: If some application tries to determine the client with xep30 identities, he may be more likely to do so. Because not every entity supports xep115
[15:54:17] <> That was an honest question by the way. Those are subtly different things both of which someone may care about. One of which has a more direct bearing on caps than the other to my mind (the implementation) but either of which are reasonable.
[15:54:33] <> Flow: Pretty much all clients support 115, because so many features depend on it.
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[15:55:04] <> /me came around implementing caps in yaxim for a loooong time :>
[15:55:05] <> 1. This is not true, entity caps was until a few month ago disabled per default in Smack
[15:55:16] <> And also, Entity Caps obviously depends on Disco Info. I'm not sure what is being argued here.
[15:55:30] <> Ge0rG, the node does not appear to be part of the hash input, no
[15:55:32] <> 2. Even if almost all clients support entity caps, then still ore clients support xep30
[15:55:59] <> MattJ: but the node is used to cache the entity caps version
[15:56:08] <> Flow: all clients service discovery, otherwise Entity Capabilities doesn't work
[15:56:15] <> ^do
[15:56:27] <> Flow, how? (it's a long time since I implemented this anywhere)
[15:57:45] <> Am I right in assuming that there is no active protocol for end-to-end encryption of stanzas at the moment?
[15:57:46] <> MattJ: hmm, seems you are right. I implemented entity caps in Smack and could have sworn that the node is also used for caching
[15:58:18] <> Since XEP-0200 is deferred
[15:58:24] <> Philonous: there is OTR
[15:58:53] <> Ge0rG: But there is no protocol for use with whole stanzas
[15:58:56] <> Philonous: there have been various proposals on this. All of them have either no implementation support (RFC 3923) or didn't progress (enough) (yet)
[15:59:19] <> Philonous: I'd kill for an XEP for encrypted file transfers.
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[16:01:05] <> Flow: the node is used to query the full caps entry from the other entity
[16:01:20] <> you do a disco#info on node#ver
[16:01:43] <> Flow: so, what about adding a method to set the ENTITY_NODE on the EntityCapsManager?
[16:02:37] <> seams reasonable
[16:02:38] <> ralphm: At first glance it seems that RFC 3923 only allows the content to be encrypted, not the stanza itself.
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[16:09:00] <> Flow: will you add it? :D
[16:09:58] <> sure
[16:10:24] <> Flow: ♥
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[20:08:36] <> .. One question is there some suggested or specific order for the childs of the stream features element? I tried looking into the RFC but there's no mention at all.
[20:09:09] <> (or maybe I just can't find it.. which is equally possible)
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[20:15:24] <> /me stumbled on xep-170 brb.
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[21:04:36] <> Maranda: yes, that's a good place to look
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[21:04:56] <> stpeter, implemented.
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[21:05:17] <> Maranda: :)
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[21:12:05] <> stpeters, I somehow supposed server caps should be at bottom so I made it that way.
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