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[13:46:46] <dwd> I still don't understand Teemu's proposal, despite clarifications and his explanation. Anyone about who can give me a real-world use-case?
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[16:30:54] <ermine> stpeter: hi, any thoughts about yesterday's questions?
[16:34:21] <stpeter> ermine: I posted after you left
[16:34:48] <stpeter> I think the schema doesn't capture the intent, which is only one <thread/> per message
[16:36:53] <ermine> stpeter: ralphm said that it is good to have multiple <thread/> :)
[16:39:01] <stpeter> that seems strange to me
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[16:52:58] <Kev> ermine: I don't think he did.
[16:55:27] <ermine> Kev: perhaps i'm not exact? Someone can see yesterday's chat log here
[16:57:29] <ermine> stpeter: so you suggest to have thread, body, subject, show, status, priority elements one per their stanza?
[16:58:45] <dwd> There are very occasional cases where, for example, an email with multiple in-reply-to makes sense in a pure semantic way, but it creates utter hell for UI designers, so I'd much rather we avoided it in XMPP.
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[17:15:30] <stpeter> ermine: I think body, subject, etc. are fine with multiple (with different xml:lang), but not thread
[17:17:08] <Kev> Not priority, though, very definitely.
[17:18:01] <ermine> and multiple <status/> in presence?
[17:18:37] <stpeter> Kev: right
[17:18:42] <stpeter> I was talking about the texty things
[17:18:51] <stpeter> so body, subject, status
[17:19:57] <Kev> Multiple of those things is one of the things we can theoretically do, but it'd be a jolly bad idea for anyone to try, I think :)
[17:19:58] <ermine> ok, thanks for clearify
[17:20:09] <Kev> I imagine the vast majority of software would break.
[17:20:15] <stpeter> Kev: quite possibly :-)
[17:21:31] <stpeter> I'd be open to changing that in 6121bis
[17:21:44] <stpeter> if we ever work on such a thing
[17:22:27] <dwd> Kev, IIRC, there exist clients that do multiple body with different languages.
[17:22:38] <dwd> Kev, I *think* Transverse is one such.
[17:23:24] <Kev> Clients for closed networks where interop isn't a concern are probably another matter.
[17:23:41] <stpeter> /me nods
[17:24:12] <ermine> about xml:lang, but in stanza error, stream error you can include only one <text>, even if it has xml:lang
[17:24:41] <ermine> well, according to wonderful xsd :)
[17:24:48] <stpeter> yeah yeah yeah
[17:24:58] <stpeter> I'm starting to dislike XSD :P
[17:26:04] <ermine> but it is good to have something for exast data description (separately from protocol rules)
[17:26:47] <ermine> otherwise i would ask the same questions after reading saint texts
[17:31:00] <ermine> use BNF!
[17:31:57] <ermine> or... asn.1 ,)
[17:32:20] <stpeter> ouch :-)
[17:43:57] <ralphm> ermine, stpeter: I said it was great for doing subliminal conversations
[17:44:13] <ralphm> where you say one thing in one xml:lang and something completely different in another
[17:44:44] <ralphm> I have no tongue-in-cheek icon
[17:46:59] <stpeter> :)
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