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[20:26:08] <> Are resource binding and session establishment communications with the server as a server or with the server "acting as the account"?
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[20:26:55] <> deryni: wait what?
[20:27:17] <> deryni: both are for client<->server interactions
[20:27:40] <> and the latter is a no-op in 6121
[20:27:54] <> Oh, I see what you mean.
[20:28:10] <> If my statement implied s2s it shouldn't have. And yes, I know that but when it happens which is it?
[20:28:12] <> They're with the account, on a philosophical level.
[20:28:31] <> Given that they're addressed to the account, not the server.
[20:28:40] <> oh, in that sense
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[20:29:21] <> hm, yes, most servers are implemented such that c2s is handled in one part of the system (avoiding 'component' here) and session management in another.
[20:29:24] <> ralphm, Ah, op zo'n fiets!
[20:29:27] <> The iq doesn't need a to= attribute does it? I don't see anything which says that.
[20:30:03] <> the latter can be seen as an (internal) component that is responsible for a domain and represents the accounts under that domain
[20:30:08] <> deryni: ah
[20:30:20] <> Back story here is the new pidgin release is having issues connecting to facebook and jabber.org because it is rejecting bind/session iq results because of the from attribute on the result.
[20:30:22] <> deryni, Right. Since there's no to, it's nominally addressed to the account.
[20:30:27] <> deryni: if no 'to' is present, the account bare JID is assumed
[20:30:47] <> From attribute?
[20:31:02] <> I'm talking about client -> server
[20:31:05] <> Right, sorry. Paged that detail out in all the stuff I'm cramming in trying to make this all make sense.
[20:31:09] <> What's it sending? My information is out of date, but I may well remember the right bits of jabber.org's M-Link impl.
[20:31:12] <> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CVCpkb4a
[20:31:19] <> See the bottom.
[20:31:21] <> There have been clients which did add to='hostname' by the way, but they were few enough that we got them to fix it rather than fixing it on our end
[20:31:42] <> Last Sending and Recv lines.
[20:31:54] <> Err, last pair of Sending/Recv lines.
[20:32:11] <> Oh... I see. Yeah, that's arguably a bug.
[20:32:23] <> The facebook case is similar it just happens on the bind.
[20:32:38] <> edwinm, Ping.
[20:33:06] <> hm, bad indeed
[20:33:33] <> So to start again the question is is that "from='jabber.org'" (and is the similar "from='chat.facebook.com'" on the bind result) broken.
[20:33:51] <> deryni, Yes, I think so.
[20:34:05] <> deryni, Maybe. :-)
[20:34:11] <> Yes it is :)
[20:34:25] <> I say it is
[20:34:47] <> Yeah, I can't see any reasonable defence.
[20:35:33] <> deryni, If you email support@isode.com, they'll probably have a fix tomorrow.
[20:36:33] <> not so much for facebook, I think
[20:36:44] <> Is this room still logged somewhere public?
[20:36:55] <> Yeah. Getting facebook fixed is going to be tougher.
[20:37:03] <> well, hah, that's still on the To Do list
[20:37:10] <> (logging)
[20:37:28] <> ralphm, It is? I thought it worked?
[20:37:31] <> deryni: you can bug Kev, intosi about that, too
[20:37:43] <> dwd: I'd like to be proven wrong
[20:38:02] <> I removed the log links in this room's subject because there weren't any new ones
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[20:38:55] <> dwd: ah, there's http://logs.jabber.org/hermes2/2014/1/28/jdev%40conference.jabber.org.html
[20:39:08] <> but that doesn't seem to be a permanent solution
[20:39:40] <> not at the least because all nicks are missing
[20:39:40] <> Oh.
[20:40:23] <> Heh.
[20:56:24] <> I reported the issue to the Facebook XMPP Developer Relations group
[21:02:38] <> Alright. Thanks dwd and ralphm. I'll send that email to isode support a bit later. I need to run.
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[21:07:19] <> darkrain: Guess I should admit that you were right. ;)
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