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[09:40:51] <> mattj: but why should a server at al send a message to a non friend at all. unless its a subscription request
[09:41:19] <> jabberjocke: Well, are you friends with this MUC room?
[09:42:17] <> I am :-
[09:42:20] <> :-P
[09:43:15] <> Does some server not explicitly require to have a subscription before making initial messages?
[09:45:40] <> The only server that /does/ require that is Google (and they have workarounds for MUC).
[09:46:38] <> kev: heh ok
[09:52:21] <> yeah..those really nice workarounds
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[09:55:41] <> well then it's a bit of a problem that the java smack library by feault has the resurce set to /smack
[09:56:14] <> Yes, that is a Bad Thing.
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[10:00:04] <> it should be a UUID
[10:00:42] <> It shouldn't.
[10:00:56] <> There's no reason for it to request a resource at all, by default.
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[10:10:49] <> now when we connect a lot of devices to an XMPP server my first feeling is that this is a security issue having "evil" devices
trying to fins the resurce to be able to read and control devices
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[10:11:11] <> how is evil users handled today?
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[10:15:42] <> Everyone gets asked to be nice :)
[10:16:43] <> Slightly more seriously, you can't have clients just blindly trusting anyone that sends them a message. If you're a client
and you're receiving commands from somewhere, you have to check authorisation for the sender.
[10:19:37] <> So, I guess then XMPP is not designed for keeping clients "secure" by having very secure servers so we should always check
at clients.
[10:19:57] <> Which is a bit of a hassle for very resource constrained IoT devices.
[10:21:53] <> It's secure in the sense that all clients are authenticated, and have strong identity.
[10:22:23] <> But the responsibility for who you're willing to do stuff for has to be with the client, because that's where the business
logic is.
[10:22:24] <> yes, but if you can get that you can "hit" any client with any message.
[10:23:18] <> yes, but it would not be totally crazy if the server would only allow communication between XMPP JID's that are friends -
but that would incur quite some additional
[10:23:28] <> cost at the servers (computational, etc)
[10:24:04] <> so - the super-duper small device might have it's own XMPP-Small-IoT-Supported server that will filter before forwarding to
the client.
[10:24:15] <> There are XEPs for setting up block lists.
[10:25:07] <> Yes, we have just started working with IoT / Smart Energy and XMPP so we might end up looking into lots of XEPs and possibly
[10:25:15] <> suggest more XEPs for IoT
[10:25:50] <> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0273.html seems adapted to your usecase.
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[10:27:11] <> yes, that looks like something that might be of interest!
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[10:47:23] <> Sad that the SIFT xep 273 is deffered
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[10:48:22] <> Which only means that no-one's updated it or requested it be moved to Draft.
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[11:16:56] <> ok, so I guess picking ideas from 273 and add whatever might be useful for IoT-devices and republish might be the way to go?
[11:18:11] <> well..it should get updated as soon as mobile XMPP is more widespread
[11:18:14] <> Or modify 273?
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