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[01:57:13] <piousminion> If I leave will I have voice when I come back? I'm new to xmpp/jabber.
[01:59:03] <MattJ> piousminion, no, not on this server
[01:59:12] <MattJ> It's up to the server/room configuration
[01:59:32] <piousminion> I waited for 2 hours today to get voice. I'd hate to have to do that again.
[02:01:33] <MattJ> Ok, now you'll have voice :)
[02:02:48] <MattJ> This situation is only temporary - some issues with abuse at the moment, which is why voice isn't automatically granted
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[06:17:10] <Neustradamus> kev: there are 3 visitors?
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[08:23:27] <garfield1154> Hi there
[08:23:53] <garfield1154> I'm trying to build a peer-to-peer chat kind of facility
[08:24:03] <fillmore29218> Hi
[08:24:09] <garfield1154> And I'm wondering if I can use XMPP to achieve that
[08:24:45] <Kev> XEP-0174 is XMPP's serverless stuff. XMPP usually involves a server.
[08:25:11] <garfield1154> Oh ok
[08:25:56] <fillmore29218> How can I find out what the current size limit for messages is? Can the server be questioned somehow?
[08:26:05] <garfield1154> Thanks Kev
[08:27:10] <Kev> fillmore29218: It can't. What are you trying to do?
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[08:27:38] <garfield1154> Are there pages where I can find some example implementations for XEP-0174? Either with or without code is ok
[08:29:45] <Link Mauve> You can find implementations in at least Gajim and Telepathy.
[08:30:20] <Kev> garfield1154: Swiften also includes an implementation.
[08:30:45] <Kev> (http://swift.im/swiften/)
[08:32:26] <garfield1154> Wonderful
[08:32:30] <garfield1154> Thanks guys
[08:32:38] <garfield1154> Kev: the link doesn't seem to work
[08:32:51] <garfield1154> I'll see what I can find out about swiften
[08:33:05] <fillmore29218> garfield: Remove the ) at the end of the link
[08:34:19] <garfield1154> Of course ... silly me
[08:40:45] <fillmore29218> Kev: Any idea on my problem?
[08:41:10] <Kev> fillmore29218: You've not said what your problem is.
[08:42:20] <fillmore29218> Kev: Oh, then the message got lost ... I'm trying to send "bigger" messages. Reason behind that is that actual attachments can't be send if other partner is offline, so I was trying to send the attachment as a message (base64 encoded).
[08:42:39] <Kev> You'll want to use inband bytestreams, then.
[08:42:51] <Kev> Or, ideally, out of band bytestreams :)
[08:43:08] <Kev> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html
[08:44:50] <fillmore29218> Thanks. I'll look into that.
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[08:48:49] <fillmore29218> Kev: Do these bytestreams work, if one of the two entities is offline at the time of sending?
[08:48:57] <Kev> No.
[08:49:09] <Kev> If one of the two entities is offline you can't send files, pretty much.
[08:50:09] <fillmore29218> Kev: Ok. Thanks.
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[10:37:10] <tyler3282> Hello all, I have just registered, what is the best client to download ??
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[10:58:45] <Kev> It depends on your needs. You probably won't go far wrong with http://swift.im/releases/swift-2.0beta1/ but there are plenty of other choices.
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[14:35:50] <hoover605> hi
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[14:37:57] <hoover605> system admin joined , cool
[14:38:34] <hoover605> psa don't wanna answer , that's cooler
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[14:40:24] <psa> hoover605: can we help you?
[14:40:44] <hoover605> yes yo can
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[14:41:27] <hoover605> i've joined using jabber.org as "KiDo" , but i'm devoiced , so i'm using the web site now
[14:41:35] <hoover605> there's a room been stolen , can yo restore it back?
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[14:42:05] <psa> KiDo: you have voice now
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[14:42:09] <psa> what is the room?
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[14:43:11] <hoover605> Syriafrind@conference.jabber.org
[14:43:26] <psa> ah, I see, more Syrian problems
[14:43:45] <hoover605> yo can check the log , and yo'll see it's been changed
[14:44:37] <hoover605> i'm not syrian , neither it's my room , only the room old-owner can't speak english , so they asked me to ask yo to help her
[14:45:25] <psa> I see 4 owners
[14:45:39] <KiDo> now or before?
[14:45:42] <psa> now
[14:46:18] <KiDo> i don't know all the ex-owners but the one who created the room was... donotputmyname@jabin.org
[14:46:28] <psa> KiDo: I must say that I am always very suspicious about these chatrooms related to Syria, because of the situation in that country
[14:47:20] <psa> the "authorities" there have a strong incentive to launch attacks against these rooms
[14:47:24] <KiDo> psa: yea , yo know , they've got problem between who support the president and who against him so they keep on fighting here too
[14:47:30] <psa> exactly
[14:47:46] <psa> KiDo: and I don't know who is a good guy and who is a bad guy just from chatting online
[14:48:28] <KiDo> psa: noone knows that , everyday i have to ban about 100 syrian because of this problem
[14:48:35] <psa> yeah
[14:48:53] <KiDo> i don't know why they bring their real life in here
[14:48:55] <drасо> Hi psa
[14:49:16] <drасо> I know that donotputmyname@jabin.org
[14:49:57] <KiDo> but there's no way to drop it down , only by making 2 contries one for supporters and one for who against him :D
[14:50:03] <psa> KiDo: well, I am sure that some people are looking for a place to speak freely
[14:50:05] <drасо> This morning she told me that her room was stolen by her friend
[14:50:07] <psa> draco: hi
[14:50:25] <psa> draco: well, that JID is still in the list of room owners
[14:50:32] <KiDo> :ermm: screen faded away
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[14:50:58] <drасо> Oh is it?
[14:51:21] <psa> KiDo: I made you a "member" of this room so that you will always have voice
[14:51:31] <psa> draco: yes
[14:51:34] <KiDo> > [17:50:25] | psa: draco: well, that JID is still in the list of room owners > really :-?
[14:51:38] <psa> draco: but there are 3 other members
[14:51:41] <psa> er
[14:51:42] <psa> owners
[14:51:42] <KiDo> psa: thanx
[14:52:04] <drасо> Few hours ago i enter the room to check, but the admin or owner banned me before i speak a word
[14:52:32] <psa> draco: I can remove all the other room members
[14:52:59] <psa> er, room owners
[14:53:18] <psa> sorry, I'm prepping for a 4-hour meeting that will start in 7 minutes :)
[14:53:22] <drасо> psa: by the way, i was going to report since this afternoon, but since i can not speak in here, no options rather than waiting for you to enter
[14:53:28] <KiDo> psa: just in case , why don't yo remove all owners and just leave donotputmyname@jabin.org?
[14:53:29] <psa> draco: sorry about that
[14:53:36] <psa> KiDo: that sounds like a good idea
[14:53:42] <psa> /me checks the room admin list, too
[14:54:07] <drасо> psa: i would like to become member in here too
[14:54:21] <KiDo> ok then return the room in 6 minutes :D
[14:54:52] <psa> ok
[14:55:23] <psa> so now donotputmyname is the only owner there
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[14:55:30] <psa> draco and KiDo, I made you admins
[14:55:32] <KiDo> psa: thank you
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[14:56:27] <psa> draco: I also made you an admin here
[14:56:36] <drасо> Thank you
[14:57:58] <drасо> psa: thanks for returning the room, she will be very glad :)
[14:59:23] <psa> draco: I'm sorry about the delay
[15:00:37] <drасо> nvm, thanks
[15:00:56] <psa> draco: at least now you can give people voice in this room
[15:01:18] <drасо> Sure
[15:01:21] <KiDo> only give voice , don't kick :-"
[15:01:32] <psa> :)
[15:01:37] <psa> he can kick people, too
[15:02:11] <KiDo> he'll love to try it on me :-"
[15:02:29] <drасо> :-D
[15:03:15] <KiDo> psa: is it possible to make other rooms on speeqe site as this room?
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[15:05:28] <MattJ> You can just change the room JID in the URL
[15:06:09] <psa> /me is now in a meeting for the next 3-4 hours and won't be paying close attention to this room
[15:08:13] <KiDo> already done :oops: i can read the mind
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[15:27:41] <Kev> psa: You can check the backups if you want to know whether a room has had the ownership changed recently
[15:28:05] <psa> Kev: good point
[15:29:11] <Kev> It had 6 owners 15 hours ago.
[15:29:41] <Kev> And the same yesterday.
[15:30:07] <Kev> And the same the day before.
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[19:47:51] <buchanan35916> Hello guys ! Newbie with a question here.
[19:48:12] <psa> hi buchanan35916
[19:48:15] <psa> fire away
[19:48:38] <buchanan35916> How do I make Pidgin run over Tor ?
[19:48:54] <buchanan35916> If I just change the proxy setting
[19:49:12] <psa> hmm
[19:49:16] <buchanan35916> to 127.0.0.1 and port 9500
[19:49:18] <psa> good question, I've never tried that
[19:49:22] <buchanan35916> I get an error - " Error: Unable to connect"
[19:49:49] <buchanan35916> I've heard some people were able to do it on ubuntu for I'm not windows and failing miserably.
[19:50:01] <buchanan35916> *on Windows
[19:51:42] <psa> /me nods
[19:51:51] <buchanan35916> I guess I'll try more different clients and see if I can source any more data.
[19:51:52] <psa> unfortunately I don't have the answers for you
[19:52:04] <psa> the Pidgin team could presumably help you more than we can here
[19:53:09] <buchanan35916> Googling them right now :D
[19:53:22] <buchanan35916> In any case, thanks for the kind words.
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