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[01:19:21] <KiDo> where's the system's owner :ermm:
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[02:31:17] <KiD> Kev_: is it possible to upload a bot on jabber.org server so it can run as long as the server on???
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[08:14:33] <Kev_> KiD: No.
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[09:50:44] <buchanan35754> who can retract a pubsub item? every publisher or just the user that published the item (and owner) ?
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[11:24:27] <mckinley61483> hai
[11:24:57] <mckinley61483> hai buddies
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[12:05:00] <drасо> Kev_: Please help..my room flooded really bad :(
[12:05:41] <drасо> naw: hi naw, please help, my room being flooded really really bad
[12:05:53] <drасо> indonesia@conf.jabber.org
[12:05:58] <drасо> :(
[12:06:20] <drасо> It happen almost everyday...
[12:08:29] <naw> sorry, I'm not one of the server admins
[12:08:50] <naw> if it's your room, you can change it to member only
[12:08:53] <drасо> Kev_ please help
[12:09:09] <naw> so, only those that are on the member list will be able to join it
[12:09:35] <drасо> I did, while the attack on going, i have changed it to member only and i made it moderated, but nothing happens
[12:10:10] <drасо> I close the room only for member, i did that but no respond
[12:11:08] <naw> those who are fooling the room are members too?
[12:12:28] <drасо> No, its bot, it seems only join for a short period of time, and out, replaced with new jids, and its hundreds of jids in one attack
[12:12:39] <naw> I can't join because I'm not a member, so the members-only option works
[12:13:16] <naw> but, if those are not in the member list, they won't be able to join and attact
[12:13:18] <drасо> Ok, please pvt me your jid, i will put you in
[12:13:38] <drасо> Now the attack is stopped, i made the room member only
[12:13:49] <naw> I only was testing that the members-only option works
[12:14:00] <naw> oh, ok then
[12:14:29] <naw> if the bots come always from the same server, maybe you could ban the server
[12:14:44] <naw> and then avod the member only option
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[12:15:05] <drасо> I did config the room to member only when the attack on going, but i do not know either my connection to slow so the respond is unnoticed, or the room configuration itself not responding
[12:15:15] <drасо> I am using mobile client
[12:15:18] <naw> oh
[12:15:32] <naw> I can confirm that it's member--only
[12:16:28] <drасо> Kev was there, i am sure he noticed that
[12:17:46] <drасо> »naw> if the bots come always from the same server, maybe you could ban the server is uses many server domain, i can not ban all the server, hundreds of it
[12:17:57] <drасо> Its*
[12:19:40] <naw> kev it's away right now
[12:20:32] <drасо> He was there at that time, i'm sure his screen full of flood messages
[12:21:18] <drасо> It also flooded me and my bot in private
[12:22:06] <drасо> I will be very appreciate if the server admin and developer can consider to put flood filter on jabber.org
[12:22:26] <drасо> It will help alot, and will not put too much load for the server
[12:24:13] <drасо> It was different with few years ago when jabber.org still running on ejabberd
[12:25:06] <drасо> Now the bot is dull if we use to administer the muc
[12:25:58] <drасо> The bot can not ban nickname, have to be full jid, the bot can not filter flood, as it used to..
[12:26:54] <drасо> To be honest, now MUC in jabber.org is quite vulnerable...
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[13:22:00] <Michael> A question on private messaging between users in a muc - if messaging is disabled, where can the user see this setting? It seems messages one tries to send are just dropped without a notice to the user?
[13:30:18] <naw> Michael: the server (at jabebr.org) retruns a "forbidden" error to the sender, but my client (psi) ignores it
[13:33:18] <naw> also, since in the registrar (http://xmpp.org/registrar/disco-features.html) there isn't a field for the private message behaviour
[13:33:40] <Michael> naw: ignores it - sends anyway, or doesnt notify user?
[13:33:43] <naw> i guess that the user only will notice by the error (on those clients that display it)
[13:34:31] <Michael> so it depends on client?
[13:35:09] <naw> In psi, I only can see the returned error in the xml console, which almost nobody has open or pay attention to it normally
[13:35:22] <naw> maybe other client will display the error
[13:35:50] <Michael> imho pidgin drops it silently, too (dont know about debug option)
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[13:36:39] <Michael> naw, ok, that was about behavior, and that includes there is no indicator waht setting is current per room, messaging on or off?
[13:37:39] <naw_> http://pastebin.com/RMuPhJxd that's what I see in the console
[13:37:43] <Michael> maybe its easiest to always allow messaging...
[13:38:15] <naw_> yes, but I guess that in some rooms private messages can be abused
[13:39:20] <Michael> quite cryptic to a user, that output. not an option for average Joe.
[13:40:01] <naw> well, it's not intended for average joe
[13:40:15] <naw> it's intended to developers
[13:40:30] <Michael> naw: got an idea of how that could work? I thought of people insulting others secretly, or plotting against them, something like that.
[13:41:01] <naw> my point is that the server notifies the error to the client, so it's responsability of the client notify the user
[13:41:38] <Michael> thats true
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[13:42:21] <naw> about plotting, thjey could just setup an alternative room where they are free to conspire
[13:43:24] <naw> the problem could be some users trying to harras somebody using private messages
[13:43:42] <naw> some clients allow to ignore some users
[13:44:03] <naw> I thing that psidgin and gajim can
[13:44:20] <naw> psi also, but not in a very user friendly way...
[13:44:42] <naw> and I don't really know about others
[13:45:11] <Michael> hm yes
[13:45:36] <Michael> no matter what system man thinks of, there is no way preventing mobbing harrassment and conspiracy
[13:45:59] <Michael> :/
[13:46:29] <naw> for me, to forbid private messages only makes sense if it's probable that the recipients don't want to be disturbed
[13:46:46] <Michael> agree
[13:47:37] <naw> anyway, that doesn't mean that there won't be advantages on putting obstacles for conspiracy
[13:48:21] <Michael> well, in case of new users it could very well be they dont realize they could set up their own room ;)
[13:48:30] <naw> to setup a room and invite others there implies a effort superrior to just click and open a private message
[13:48:32] <Michael> until they notice
[13:49:20] <Michael> ok. about that issue mentioned by draco, above - is this related to some specific server?
[13:49:32] <Michael> or should everyone know about that?
[13:49:40] <naw> and if they don't have they added on their contact lists, all the messages would go through the main room, so you will notice if they ask others to join another room
[13:49:41] <Michael> its not clear to me
[13:50:11] <naw> which issue?
[13:50:23] <naw> bots joining a room and spamming it?
[13:51:03] <Michael> yes that one
[13:51:23] <Michael> the history just ends there on this screen
[13:51:45] <Michael> >f the bots come always from the same server, maybe you could ban the server >is uses many server domain, i can not ban all the server, hundreds of it
[13:52:17] <naw> hmmm well, now that I remember, there are capchas
[13:52:24] <naw> at least ejabberd support them
[13:53:12] <naw> if the client doesn't support them, the server sends a link to a web page where they can introduce the captcha
[13:53:48] <naw> I think that jabber.org (wich uses MLink) doesn't support them
[13:54:14] <naw> so you can make the room members-only so only people from the member list will be able to join
[13:55:22] <naw> ejabberd, and I guess that other servers too, limit the speed at which an user can send data
[13:55:54] <naw> but bots connect to tens of servers at the same time, so that protection has limited effect
[13:56:54] <naw> and I'm not aware if any of the several proposals to fight SPIM has reached a mature status
[13:58:15] <Michael> SPiM? SMPaM?
[13:58:48] <Michael> is that a term or a typo?
[14:00:55] <naw> no, spam over IM (instant messaging) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messaging_spam
[14:01:10] <Michael> ah yes i was wondering
[14:01:14] <Michael> ok thanks
[14:01:20] <Michael> naw
[14:01:32] <Michael> thats bad
[14:02:12] <Michael> is there an option of accepting messages only from kwon contacts?
[14:02:20] <Michael> known
[14:02:28] <Michael> i guess not....
[14:02:31] <naw> I remember a bigger wikipedia article
[14:02:44] <naw> in some clients there is
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[14:03:53] <Michael> but even cleint, the server has to send the shit
[14:03:59] <Michael> or servers involved
[14:04:29] <Michael> control versus anonymity
[14:06:48] <naw> it depends on how the client does the blocking
[14:07:07] <naw> I thing that pidgin just ignored the messages when they come
[14:07:38] <naw> and that gajim used privacy lists to block the messages at the server, so they weren't delivered
[14:08:50] <naw> messages, presences and querys
[14:15:09] <Michael> client instructing the server? interesting depth
[14:18:27] <naw> if you are interested on the specs: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0016.html http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0191.html
[14:21:51] <Michael> well, im usually satisfied with the introductory summary ;)
[14:22:29] <naw> hehe
[14:23:00] <Michael> well thats the way it is, im not coding. i jsut need the pictures how the xmpp net works
[14:23:59] <Michael> i dont see much of an alternative
[14:27:23] <naw> hmmm there should be divulgative articles out there...
[14:27:57] <naw> at least for the more general topics
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[15:07:57] <chayanba@jappix.com/Meebo> sup
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[16:08:12] <The_Dude> :-D
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[19:28:17] <Michael> hi
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[19:30:38] <Michael> a question on avatars, they can be animated i read? how many frames, file format, only gifs?
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[19:43:07] <GAD> Question: When I create a new group-chat using Trillian or iChar on conference.jabber.org with the default settings, everything works great. If I then close the chat, then try to re-enter it, I get a 404 error (not found). Am I doing something wrong, or have I missed something? THX.
[19:45:09] <Michael> forgot to make it persistent?
[19:45:34] <Michael> maybe?
[19:49:03] <GAD> Shouldn't it then delete, and be available to be created again?
[19:51:48] <Michael> i dont know. i just saw the same effect, iirc, and it was a nonpersistent room i used for testing.
[19:52:01] <Michael> try making it persistent, if the error appears
[19:52:05] <Michael> if not, its about that
[19:52:12] <Michael> you can delete it later no problem
[19:54:26] <GAD> That does indeed - work - thanks! I've noticed that after some period of time, the other rooms will work again, so it looks like something is being held after the room is closed. Anyway this is a fine workaround for me - thanks again.
[19:54:56] <Michael(clone)> glad to help
[20:07:21] <Michael> maybe there is some delay so people or bots cant pop up tons of rooms all time
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[23:01:17] <fillmore9652> why when unsubscribing from a node the user gets <subscription node=...>
[23:01:24] <fillmore9652> the ooposite
[23:01:53] <fillmore9652> when subscribing the user gets <subscription node=..> but when unsubscribing the user just get success.
[23:01:56] <fillmore9652> different syntax
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