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[13:03:30] <Michael> hi.
[13:04:18] <Alex> hi Michael
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[13:23:14] <anonymous19054> hi everyone, can i connect (aka federate) an instance of MS Lync with Jabber instance?
[13:25:00] <Alex> anonymous19054: yes, there is a XMPP addon for MS Lync, so you can federate with other XMPP servers
[13:25:05] <Kev> Ah, well, kinda.
[13:25:21] <anonymous19054> thank you
[13:25:26] <anonymous19054> i will look into that addon
[13:25:28] <Alex> but I heard I does not follow the standards very well
[13:25:28] <Kev> In that I'm not sure how well it works.
[13:25:48] <Alex> never tried it myself
[13:25:59] <Kev> I'm aware of instances of interop testing with it that haven't gone terribly well.
[13:26:23] <anonymous19054> sounds ominous, but also intriguing to test
[13:26:32] <anonymous19054> I appreciate the information
[13:26:33] <Kev> My very limited understanding is that they've largely got stuff working these days, internally, but that this isn't in a released product yet.
[13:26:55] <Kev> But this is all hearsay and whispers, I have no concrete information one way or the other.
[13:27:13] <Kev> So maybe it works flawlessly :)
[13:33:52] <Alex> they do some wird stuff also for WLM with their latest server update. Have you seen this Kev: http://pastebin.com/8V14AMx8
[13:34:51] <Kev> Oh. That's kinda fun.
[13:35:12] <Alex> thats their new way of load balancing ;-)
[13:35:38] <Kev> Well, it's certainly creative.
[13:35:50] <Kev> I'm not convinced it's ever going to work, but that seems like a secondary concern :)
[13:36:26] <Alex> I have updated my libs to support this. But I don't think that this is the right usage of see-other-host
[13:37:04] <Alex> you have to connect, get this stream error, read teh host and then connect again with a new stream to the given host
[13:38:13] <Kev> At least it's over TLS. Assuming their cert is valid etc. :)
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[14:16:14] <Tobias> Kev, why shouldn't it work?
[14:18:55] <Kev> Tobias: I expect most clients when presented with a stream error to attempt to reconnect in the standard manner.
[14:19:32] <Kev> Particularly as that's not a valid see-other-host error.
[14:19:47] <Tobias> what would be a valid see-other-host error?
[14:21:45] <Kev> It needs to include the port, doesn't it?
[14:22:10] <Tobias> i thought the new host would be looked up again via SRV record..or not?
[14:22:48] <Kev> Ah, no, checked 6120. The port is optional.
[14:24:02] <Kev> So, amusingly, 6120 tells you what to do if you want to follow a see-other-host error, but doesn't say you actually need to follow it.
[14:26:00] <Kev> And yes, the other host is looked up via SRV.
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[19:01:25] <PaulFertser> Hm, i had a jabber.org connectivity outage again today.
[19:02:17] <PaulFertser> 20:54 till 21:14 UTC+4
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[19:50:05] <stpeter> OK
[19:50:10] <stpeter> PaulFertser: yes
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[19:50:33] <stpeter> PaulFertser: the good news is that we're working to source that new machine
[19:51:01] <stpeter> although, I must say that I'm seriously getting tired of jabber.org users
[19:51:44] <stpeter> today I've had some guy who uses his jabber.org account for black market activities bothering me about his hacked account, and then someone else says he controls the same account, etc. -- what a goddamn waste of my time
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[20:05:01] <Michael> annoying scum?
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[20:35:31] <japer8089> stpeter:
[20:35:35] <japer8089> hi
[20:35:54] <stpeter> hi japer8089
[20:36:09] <japer8089> i want of you some thing
[20:36:18] <japer8089> i want to create server
[20:36:27] <japer8089> but i not have master card
[20:36:39] <japer8089> im well transfer to you mony
[20:36:53] <japer8089> of syria to your country
[20:37:05] <japer8089> and your buy to me domain
[20:37:11] <Michael> löl?
[20:37:32] <japer8089> are you under stand?
[20:37:57] <Michael> lol?
[20:38:29] <japer8089> im sierosli
[20:38:57] <japer8089> me and peter talking of some time
[20:39:11] <Michael> k...
[20:39:14] <japer8089> and now i want to create
[20:39:24] <japer8089> im ready
[20:39:48] <Michael> i guess money issues should be kept private
[20:40:09] <japer8089> private its looked
[20:40:14] <psa> japer8089: I told you, I can't help you with this kind of thing
[20:40:41] <japer8089> but stpeter talk me about do this
[20:40:55] <japer8089> im ready for buy domain
[20:41:02] <japer8089> but not have master card
[20:41:17] <stpeter> japer8089: if you want to run an xmpp server, you can talk to a company like i-pobox.net or flosoft.biz
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[20:41:46] <japer8089> your not understand me
[20:41:57] <japer8089> i want transfer to your mony
[20:41:58] <stpeter> I understand you perfectly well
[20:42:00] <japer8089> and after
[20:42:13] <japer8089> your buy to me domain
[20:42:18] <stpeter> nope
[20:42:21] <stpeter> no can do
[20:42:23] <stpeter> I have no interest
[20:42:31] <stpeter> I'm too busy for that kind of silliness
[20:42:43] <japer8089> your take mony man
[20:42:51] <japer8089> not for nothing
[20:43:49] <Z_God> ah, we can talk again?
[20:44:02] <japer8089> and i want to asking you
[20:44:05] <Z_God> is there a special reason I was here as a visitor & not participant?
[20:44:13] <japer8089> are you want to rest your server?
[20:44:52] <japer8089> ok
[20:45:04] <japer8089> any buddy here can help me?
[20:45:16] <japer8089> i need to master card
[20:45:26] <japer8089> for buy domain
[20:45:43] <japer8089> im have mony
[20:45:43] <Michael> PSA يقول انه لم وقت لذلك، وانه هو الشخص الخطأ لمعالجة. وقال انه لن يساعدك.
[20:45:55] <japer8089> but not have master card for buy
[20:46:06] <japer8089> انت بتحكي عربي؟
[20:46:50] <Z_God> it seems Jabber's security is becoming known among the black market & other money dealing people ;)
[20:47:06] <Michael> مترجم جوجل
[20:47:30] <japer8089> اريد ان اشتري سيرفر
[20:47:49] <japer8089> وانا لا املك البطاقة الذكية من اجل الشراء عبر الانترنت
[20:48:00] <japer8089> لدي المال
[20:48:16] <japer8089> ومستعد لتحويل المال عبر العالم
[20:48:24] <Michael> وخلاصة القول، باختصار، كنت هنا لطلب هذا. عليك أن تسأل شخصا آخر، في مكان آخر.
[20:48:38] <japer8089> thanks so much
[20:49:43] <japer8089> stpeter: i want ask you are you want rest your server i join to some rooms but not see any buddy join to there
[20:50:01] <stpeter> on the phone, sorry, I'm busy here
[20:50:30] <japer8089> in fact
[20:50:42] <japer8089> i want room
[20:50:44] <japer8089> aleppo
[20:50:48] <japer8089> if you can
[20:50:52] <Michael> you will NOT get it here
[20:51:00] <Michael> you will not get that here
[20:51:10] <Michael> now stop bugging
[20:51:44] <Michael> رقم رقم رقم رقم رقم
[20:53:35] <Michael> للحصول على مساحة الخادم XMPP لا تحتاج.
[20:55:32] <stpeter> Michael: you know Arabic? or are you using Google Translate? ;-)
[20:55:33] <Michael> Z_God, which gives possibility to manufacturing 'laws' against it, some time in the future.
[20:55:43] <Michael> translate :)
[20:55:51] <Michael> seems its good enough for this
[20:55:55] <stpeter> sure
[20:55:59] <Michael> dont ask me waht it prints :)
[20:56:02] <stpeter> heh
[20:56:20] <Michael> for example, i bet my bollocks it can translate 'no' properly :)
[20:56:54] <Z_God> Michael: yeah, but you'd be surprised about the mistakes GT can make
[20:57:15] <Michael> i dont want to know, it's his job to sort it
[20:58:45] <Z_God> hehe ok
[21:00:44] <Michael> besides, he says he wants a room, no need for a server, and the servers including this one are FUll of arabic rooms.. most empty. So if his fellows succeed, he should notice...
[21:01:31] <japer8089> heh
[21:01:34] <japer8089> no
[21:01:43] <japer8089> i want sierous
[21:02:03] <Z_God> yeah somehow there are many empty rooms in different languages
[21:02:06] <Michael> محاولة قائمة على غرفة الخادم. وسوف تجد المئات من غرف الكلب اللغة العربية.
[21:02:41] <Z_God> on many conference servers
[21:02:51] <Z_God> maybe there's a way usability around that could be improved
[21:03:12] <Michael> لا يهمنا مدى جدية أنت. أنت مزعج. وحصلت على فكرة خاطئة كيف يعمل هذا.
[21:03:56] <Michael> maybe he's just sort of a troll.
[21:04:19] <Michael> Syrian humor :/
[21:07:59] <Z_God> but still
[21:08:09] <Z_God> I think MUC usability is not ideal yet
[21:08:31] <Z_God> there should be more ways to discover chat rooms, suitable chat rooms
[21:08:52] <Z_God> maybe some form of categorization needs to be introduced to the XEP
[21:09:22] <Z_God> to that one could look from an XMPP client for rooms in a specific language and for rooms about specific topics
[21:09:24] <Z_God> so*
[21:09:44] <Z_God> and also a way to do a distrubuted search over multiple conference servers
[21:10:16] <Z_God> I don't know a lot about MUCs though, but I would imagine there is still room for improvement in this area
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[21:11:43] <Michael> Not bad, though sorting out old empty rooms, and serving room lists in TIME (Gajim Windows), and also with user count automatically shown (instead of page by page...), would be an improvement step
[21:11:55] <Michael> seems thats already deamnding
[21:12:26] <Michael> ha, its gone :)
[21:12:41] <Z_God> yeah indeed, user counts would also be handy to see
[21:12:58] <Michael> no point in joining empty rooms (pidgin)
[21:13:27] <Kev> We'll start purging empty rooms again soon.
[21:14:31] <Michael> yes, im waiting for that, although i doubt it will increase user count per channel instantly
[21:14:53] <Z_God> but it's just too complicated now to find a suitable room to join
[21:14:58] <Kev> It'll instantly increase the average user count per channel :)
[21:15:03] <Michael> Z_God, true
[21:15:20] <Z_God> for MUC popularity to grow, real improvements are needed
[21:15:26] <Michael> Kev, yes. of course, if you jsut leave ten rooms :)
[21:16:08] <Kev> It doesn't matter how many are left. If you remove some with no occupants, the average occupant count will rise.
[21:17:06] <Z_God> how is this purging done?
[21:17:17] <Kev> Check inactive rooms, delete them.
[21:17:26] <Z_God> I suppose rooms that are used one per week are not accidently purged?
[21:17:30] <Z_God> once*
[21:17:36] <Z_God> when there's noone there I mean
[21:17:52] <Kev> I don't know how long we'll consider rooms to be inactive after.
[21:18:07] <Z_God> but can't a room expire by itself now?
[21:18:12] <Z_God> that would seem a good feature ;)
[21:18:37] <Kev> I'll be tempted to simply not allow users to create persistent rooms, although I expect that wouldn't be popular.
[21:18:50] <Kev> In any case, bedtime. Good night.
[21:18:55] <Z_God> good night!
[21:19:46] <Michael> n8
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[21:20:43] <psa> Swift crash!
[21:21:56] <psa> https://stpeter.im/music/yes/
[21:21:59] <psa> oops
[21:22:01] <psa> wrong window
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