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[12:14:03] <vedant1811> I'm getting "No response from the server" error while trying to send a file
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[19:19:08] <Michael> Hello. Is there a port number for file transfer in xmpp? experiencing transfers problems.
[19:24:22] <psa> hi Michael
[19:24:35] <psa> there is no defined port for file transfers
[19:24:45] <psa> in part because we have a lot of different ways to transfer files
[19:28:53] <Michael> oh my. isnt file transfer defined yet?
[19:30:28] <psa> oh yes
[19:30:30] <psa> several times :)
[19:30:42] <psa> we have in-band transfer (XEP-0047)
[19:30:49] <psa> SOCK5B (XEP-0065)
[19:30:58] <psa> those are the two primary methods
[19:32:32] <Michael> well, we are trying pidgin-gajim and pid-pid atm, but both dont start.
[19:34:47] <Michael> ok, now pid pid did it
[19:35:09] <psa> Michael: ok, thanks for the report
[19:35:21] <Michael> btw does pidgin display id/avatar icons?
[19:35:25] <psa> there are many complexities involved (yes, I know, it seems like a simple thing)
[19:35:32] <psa> Michael: I don't use Pidgin, so I'm not sure
[19:35:32] <psa> brb
[19:35:34] <Michael> nah, report, hardly a report ;)
[19:39:11] <psa> :)
[19:40:53] <Michael> well, sending gajim->pidgin works... miracles...
[19:41:47] <psa> yes, miracles :)
[19:47:42] <Michael> psa: well, you say tehre is no defined port. but waht is the proper setup for a router nat then, when using xmpp?
[19:47:57] <Michael> my setup is guesswork currently
[19:48:24] <psa> Michael: for in-band bytestreams (XEP-0047), there is no port because the data is sent over XMPP
[19:49:06] <psa> Michael: for socks5 bytestreams, the port is dynamic and can be anything you want
[19:51:46] <Michael> well, im confused, because i am stuck in "game uses port x, so open port x on router"-think
[19:51:58] <Michael> for xep 0065
[19:52:13] <Michael> in band should be xmpp port, i guess
[19:52:19] <psa> of course, xmpp port
[19:52:38] <psa> I mean, you already have the xmpp connection open, so in-band bytestreams just re-uses that
[19:52:57] <psa> however, you might get rate-limited if you're sending a large file or a lot of files
[19:53:34] <Michael> because?
[19:53:50] <Michael> isnt that p2p?
[19:54:04] <psa> no, in-band goes through the server
[19:54:13] <psa> socks5 goes p2p or through a relay
[19:54:16] <Michael> thius jsut happened
[19:54:23] <psa> depending on firewalls and such
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[19:56:04] <Michael> so, if our transfer jsut was "sabotagesd" , how do we do a socks5 transport p2p?
[19:56:22] <psa> sabotaged by whom?
[19:56:37] <Michael> server jabber.org
[19:56:37] <psa> socks5 is defined in XEP-0065
[19:56:50] <psa> I don't know what exactly Pidgin supports for file transfer
[19:56:57] <Michael> at least thats my guesss, it stopped at 35 mb
[19:57:14] <psa> 35 megabytes?
[19:57:18] <Michael> rtying pidpid...
[19:57:27] <Michael> yes stopped at 35
[19:57:30] <psa> have you thought about uploading the file to your personal file server and sending someone a URL?
[19:57:46] <Michael> i dont know about a personal file server
[19:57:50] <Michael> ftp?
[19:57:50] <psa> web server
[19:58:01] <psa> I have a VPS and upload things there and then send people the URLs
[19:58:16] <psa> sending 35 megs through the jabber server (in-band) is excessive
[19:58:37] <psa> and people wonder why jabber.org has scalability challenge sometimes
[19:58:39] <psa> sheesh! :)
[19:59:25] <psa> Michael: we do have a socks5 relay at jabber.org, however
[19:59:44] <Michael> psa: how should everonye knoiw taht large files are inband, and too much therefore...
[19:59:53] <Michael> that should be noted in big letters somewhere
[20:00:06] <psa> Michael: tell the client developers
[20:00:57] <psa> BTW, our socks5 relay is at proxy.eu.jabber.org
[20:01:41] <psa> Michael: XMPP is an IM technology, built for sending lots of small messages -- 35mb is not a small message, even if it is broken into many small chunks
[20:01:50] <Michael> psa: quoted into gajim room ;)
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[20:04:42] <Michael> psa: well, from irc i remember dcc - worked usually
[20:05:01] <Michael> is there no precautions in xmpp do do sich transfers from peer to peer?
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[20:05:26] <Michael> 'to do such transfers...'
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[20:50:19] <Michael> psa: socks relay, please explain. entering that into client settings somewhere?
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[20:51:40] <psa> Michael: in Psi, you can enter the address of a "Data Transfer Proxy"
[20:51:46] <psa> I don't know if Pidgin enables you to do that
[20:52:21] <Michael> lookin
[20:53:50] <Michael> pidging : 'relay server (TURN)' is that the right one...?
[20:55:07] <psa> no
[20:55:15] <psa> TURN is for voice, usually
[20:55:23] <psa> and in any case we don't use it for file transfer
[20:55:29] <psa> on the phone, be back in a bit
[20:55:41] <Michael> ah here, lots of proxy options
[20:57:06] <Michael> proxy.eu.jabber.org - port, password?
[20:57:17] <Michael> ah mine probably
[21:03:25] <Michael> /me wonders what socks5 is...
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[21:08:54] <psa> Michael: SOCKS5 is an http proxy technology, but we use it in creative ways :)
[21:11:33] <Michael> does that transfer plain data?
[21:11:45] <Michael> open to anyone who in vast theory might listen in between?
[21:15:15] <Michael> psa: waht are the name and pasword, is that hte accoutn data?
[21:16:25] <psa> Michael: typically, SOCKS5 Bytestreams are not encrypted end-to-end
[21:16:49] <psa> if you want something like that, try Tor or something like that
[21:17:03] <Michael> "[23:15:48] Asterix: Gajim uses proxies automatically [23:15:53] Asterix: but you can disable them [23:16:00] Asterix: proxies are not used for large files"
[21:18:05] <Michael> psa, i see, regarding encryption. now Asterix says large files are not wanted in general?
[21:18:33] <Michael> files of 20-400 mb are common these days, especialyl videos of wahtever topic
[21:18:43] <psa> proxies are ok for large files, but in-band bytestreams is not OK -- of course, it depends on what you mean by large
[21:19:17] <psa> are you going to send such large files once in a while, or are you trying to do something like build a file trading network?
[21:21:07] <Michael> haha, no, im not about building some trade outpost :)
[21:21:45] <Michael> example, i got some aeroplane videos, and wanted to send them to some user
[21:22:17] <Michael> and then maybe tehres something else, a documentation, maybe..
[21:32:42] <Michael> Harddsiks tehse days are large, (not large enough), and asymmetric download creates tons of stuff and shit
[21:32:46] <Michael> lots of thing sto share
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[21:41:49] <Michael> psa: i ngeneral, id like to send to anotehr user anything that fits through my small upload
[21:42:05] <psa> ok
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[21:48:35] <Michael> the proxy port number, which is it?
[21:49:24] <Michael> or should i refrain from suing it, if i transfger lets say up to 200mb per week?
[21:52:11] <psa> you don't need to specify the port number in your config -- does Pidgin ask for that?
[21:52:39] <Michael> it has an option, doesnt ask specifically
[21:52:40] <Michael> ok
[21:53:18] <Michael> says 0, zero, by default
[21:53:35] <psa> your client contacts the proxy over XMPP and discovers the port that way
[21:53:37] <psa> see http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0065.html#example-7
[21:53:40] <psa> and http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0065.html#example-8
[22:01:15] <Michael> "The bytestream can be either direct (peer-to-peer) or mediated (though a special-purpose proxy server). "
[22:01:50] <Michael> so p2p is possible, and depends on client?
[22:17:41] <psa> yes
[22:17:46] <psa> and your firewall configuration
[22:17:47] <psa> and so on
[22:17:53] <psa> brb
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