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[14:36:10] <leezi001> hello,i am leezi
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[21:32:17] <Tobias> psa, do you know whether the idea of Jingle RTP over S5B ever arose?
[21:32:48] <psa> hmm
[21:33:06] <psa> using S5B as the transport for, say, audio?
[21:33:15] <Tobias> yeah...or video
[21:33:26] <psa> well, I don't think it would work well for video
[21:33:31] <Tobias> and leveraging existing s5b proxies we have for file transfer
[21:33:52] <psa> we *do* have S5B/UDP but mostly it's TCP
[21:34:22] <Tobias> yes
[21:34:30] <Tobias> i was thinking about TCP
[21:34:51] <psa> you can do audio over TCP if you have the right kind of codecs -- I think Speex over TCP can have acceptable quality
[21:34:59] <psa> but I'm no expert on the matter
[21:35:22] <Tobias> in my case it's for desktop sharing video
[21:35:37] <psa> I think that audio / telephony people would recommend something like a TURN relay
[21:37:06] <Tobias> seems we once had a "RTP over TCP" thread on our jingle list
[21:37:11] <psa> yes
[21:39:04] <Tobias> it was just and idea, so for bootstrapping we could reuse existing s5b code...but if that's unlikely to be adopted elsewhere that wouldn't be such a good path
[21:39:15] <Tobias> psa, what do RTP ppl do with restricted environments
[21:39:29] <Tobias> at my universtiy for example it's a TCP only world
[21:39:46] <Tobias> no UDP out or in
[21:39:47] <psa> Tobias: interesting
[21:39:59] <psa> Tobias: they probably need to choose their audio codecs carefully :)
[21:40:39] <Tobias> or just use opus ^^
[21:40:53] <psa> based on what I know, it seems that video over TCP would not work very well because the bandwidth and packet loss requirements are much more significant than with audio
[21:41:30] <Tobias> psa, if you have a TCP path with little retransmission it shouldn't make much of a problem right?
[21:44:35] <psa> Tobias, that's a good question, but I don't have the answer.
[21:45:10] <Tobias> iirc there's ICE-TCP, right?
[21:45:17] <psa> yes
[21:45:28] <psa> I'd imagine that would be used mostly for file transfer
[21:45:35] <Tobias> likely
[21:46:27] <psa> if ICE-TCP had existed in 2002/2003, we would not have developed S5B I suppose ;-)
[21:46:54] <Tobias> i'll ask emil tomorrow what the jitsi guys are doing in TCP only environments...i hope the answer is not no-calls
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[21:47:29] <psa> Tobias: good idea
[21:47:40] <psa> Emil knows more about this stuff than I ever will ;-)
[21:47:50] <Tobias> lazy you ;)
[21:48:08] <psa> :)
[21:48:09] <psa> brb
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