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[11:03:49] <jackson3443> Can someone tell me why Jabber isn't listen in Pidgin?
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[11:20:57] <louiz’> it’s XMPP
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[14:08:25] <ford13925> one question:should i store the users information and relationship information to mysql ?cause xmpp server should have done this.
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[14:12:31] <Kev> You'll need to give much more context than that, I'm afraid.
[14:12:36] <Kev> Oh, and also stay long enough to get an answer.
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[15:24:51] <psa> Kev: I replied to that guy on the juser@ list -- I'm not convinced he isn't talking about a jabber service at nasa.gov or somesuch :)
[15:25:28] <Kev> Oh, heh. I hadn't seen that mail.
[15:25:35] <psa> it was in the moderation queue
[15:25:44] <Kev> Ah, that'd be why.
[15:30:41] <psa> as I suspected: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/juser/2012-June/006848.html
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[15:42:28] <Michael> psa: juser list?
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[15:43:55] <psa> http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/juser
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[17:42:32] <Michael> "User Registration Problems Folks, we are currently experiencing problems with our online user registration page at register.jabber.org, so have temporarily taken it offline. The admin team is investigating the problem and we will post again as soon as we have more information. Until then, try one of the servers listed at xmpp.net. Our apologies for any inconvenience. (NOTE: We brought this back up on April 3.)
[17:42:37] <Michael> "
[17:43:10] <Michael> is this still valid? registering worked, at least part time, when i and anotehr user used it some weeks ago. ?
[17:43:37] <Michael> If its fixed, this site entry is misleading
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[20:00:00] <psa> Michael: registration is working fine now
[20:00:33] <psa> please do notice the "NOTE" at the end of that paragraph :)
[20:15:43] <Michael> psa: yes, i noticed it, but its not clear to me what it means
[20:16:12] <Michael> if it measn "its fixed", why not removing the problem notice above?
[20:16:14] <psa> it means we fixed it on April 3rd
[20:16:39] <psa> I don't like to rewrite history :)
[20:17:37] <Michael> english is not my native language, "bring back up", to me it could also mean "we brought that issue back up into discussion" or something alkong that
[20:17:46] <psa> ok ok ok
[20:17:59] <Michael> so pelase, next time just write "we fixed that on...". thanks ;)
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[20:19:16] <psa> edited
[20:19:18] <psa> edited
[20:19:19] <psa> edited
[20:19:22] <Michael> psa: btw. you are still working on repalcemnt hw, yes?
[20:19:38] <psa> yes
[20:19:41] <psa> soon, I hope
[20:19:51] <psa> as in the next few weeks if all goes well
[20:19:59] <Michael> is there a donate button, or preferable, donate notice on the org site?
[20:20:05] <Michael> i suggest placing one
[20:20:10] <Michael> if it makes things easiert
[20:20:29] <Michael> and also lin kthat with the reason - more reliability needed, by using another machine
[20:20:37] <psa> we do not accept donations
[20:20:44] <psa> not yet, anyway
[20:21:03] <psa> jabber.org doesn't have a bank account or anything like that
[20:21:54] <Michael> well, then let me explain the background - as mentioned on the user mailing list, it gives a bad reputation for both your site and the xmpp network, if it doesnt work. so wouldnt that be enough reason to acceppt donations, given taht reason alongside? but of course, im not to tell you waht to do. Just suggest.
[20:22:38] <psa> if we accept donations, then people will expect an even higher level of service
[20:22:49] <Michael> i was sort of lucky to be told taht your server has issues, otherwise i would have thougt it was an xmpp design issue, getting disconencts and such
[20:22:50] <psa> but in any case, the new machine should solve most of our problems
[20:23:08] <psa> look, we have 1+ million registered users and we're doing this as volunteers
[20:23:23] <psa> we're doing the best we can
[20:23:30] <Michael> tnah, isnt that half hearted, a note taht doantions are for machine only, why not. remove the doante option afterwards. ?
[20:24:00] <psa> because, to accept donations, we probably need to set up a non-profit corporation
[20:24:16] <Michael> ah
[20:24:29] <Michael> thats the point. accepted
[20:24:47] <psa> if we don't do that, then the U.S. tax authority might think we are just taking money from people
[20:25:00] <psa> or, if I handle the money, then I personally could get in trouble
[20:25:08] <Michael> yes
[20:25:32] <Michael> i guess theres no company that copuld help you out with managing donations...
[20:26:02] <psa> yes, I have done that in the past and I am doing that now
[20:26:07] <psa> e.g., HP donated a machine to us
[20:26:17] <Kev> That's not quite the same.
[20:26:28] <Kev> That's companies donating stuff. Not companies managing us taking donations.
[20:26:36] <psa> oh
[20:26:41] <Michael> i meant, we doante to some company, and the buy you a machine and doante it to you. ?
[20:26:51] <psa> well, Michael is not a native speaker of English, so I understood what he meant
[20:27:14] <Kev> psa: I don't think he did :)
[20:27:53] <psa> Michael: we don't have anything to donate :)
[20:28:02] <Michael> 'we'?
[20:28:06] <Michael> who is we?
[20:28:14] <psa> Michael: in any case, we will have a new machine soon, and after that I will think about ways to accept donations
[20:28:18] <psa> we = jabber.org team
[20:28:26] <Michael> ok, fine ;)
[20:28:40] <Michael> i didnt mean anywhere that you should donate anything
[20:28:51] <ThurahT> I have some fully buffered dimm sticks laying around here.. Any good? : )
[20:28:55] <Michael> you are already, for example, lots of time
[20:29:11] <psa> Michael: not so much time, really
[20:29:25] <psa> if we have a new machine, the service should be much more reliable and won't take much time to run
[20:29:48] <Michael> i included coding and being 'here', in 'time'
[20:30:40] <Kev> ThurahT: Thanks - I'm not sure we have much use for new memory piecemeal. Hopefully the new machine will have plenty. I've no idea what the existing machine would need, or if it has capacity for more RAM at all.
[20:30:54] <Kev> 16GB was quite a lot all those years ago when we got it.
[20:31:38] <ThurahT> I can imagine that the user base hasn
[20:31:42] <Michael> true
[20:31:50] <ThurahT> t become smaller
[20:32:28] <Kev> ThurahT: In the last two years or so the average number of concurrent users has risen by over a third, and the number of registered users has tripled (to over a million).
[20:32:45] <ThurahT> nice.. : )
[20:32:56] <Kev> Although the number of registered users will likely drop once we start purging old accounts again - we've not done that for a while.
[20:32:59] <psa> not so nice for the admins :)
[20:33:02] <psa> Kev: +1
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[20:33:13] <ThurahT> hehe..
[20:33:17] <ThurahT> the puurge
[20:33:36] <Kev> We'll also purge some of the many thousands of empty MUC rooms.
[20:33:40] <Michael> btw. about user count and load on jabber.org server - having many users registrated is one thing, but, where are they? whenever i browse servers for users in chat rooms, i hardly find them?
[20:33:57] <psa> Michael: we have a lot of dead chatrooms
[20:34:01] <ThurahT> well, all in all I think it's good new at least.. that people are using xmpp as a mean for communication.
[20:34:11] <psa> and most people use jabber.org for one-to-one instant messaging, not group chat
[20:34:13] <Michael> great, old rooms, begone. (gajim doing the load room-twist...)
[20:34:14] <Kev> Michael: Not sitting in MUC rooms, I imagine. With around 21000 users online at a time I guess most are engaging in 1:1 chats rather than MUCs.
[20:34:55] <Michael> thats worthy info, Kev.
[20:35:12] <Michael> but people looking for MUCS have a hard time
[20:35:29] <Kev> Yes.
[20:36:06] <Michael> sort of strange to me, that im is mroe important to so many
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[21:10:49] <Michael> So, if one has to turn to the big brothers of Googletalk and transports for MUCs, what becomes of the encryption and privacy features of xmpp?
[21:11:25] <Michael> I didnt try that yet, exactly because of such concerns.
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[21:13:03] <psa> Michael: there is no need to use Google Talk if you don't want to
[21:13:38] <Michael> well ,yes, but if i want to find mucs, what do i do?
[21:13:53] <Michael> stupid question it may seem, but...
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[21:14:12] <psa> there are plenty of chatrooms, just not a lot of busy ones
[21:14:34] <psa> and there's always IRC ;-)
[21:15:27] <Michael> psa: you see, one has to conenct to each server to find out hwat mucs are there. and tehn you have also to find people in there. and then pidgin doesnt show user count at all, while gajim takes ages to process the room list, and then shows user count only one room per scond and page...
[21:15:56] <Michael> psa: i dont want irc... i want peopel to use this protocol...
[21:16:01] <Michael> ;) :(
[21:16:22] <Michael> i used irc back when i was young ,myes, and we had a nice or great time
[21:16:46] <Michael> these days we have big brother
[21:17:37] <Michael> and a net machine that increasingly owns people, not people owning the net.
[21:17:55] <Michael> on a sidenote
[21:18:33] <Michael> psa: is your answer still irc?
[21:18:39] <Michael> i am afraid
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[21:21:34] <psa> Michael: sorry, I was doing some work :)
[21:21:50] <psa> Michael: we do have search engines for chatrooms
[21:21:58] <psa> e.g., one is mentioned in the subject of this room
[21:22:04] <psa> http://search.wensley.org.uk/
[21:22:18] <psa> but, unfortunately, XMPP chatrooms are not as popular as IRC channels
[21:22:54] <Michael> psa: yes, thanks, i already checked it. didnt help though. even using stupid keywords related to sex hardly returns results.
[21:24:43] <Michael> reminds me of the old paradigm change issue in science - that people of old paradigms have to die first, before changes can take place
[21:25:06] <psa> it sounds like someone needs to write a nice XMPP spider that traverses the network and finds interesting information
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