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[02:33:40] <codora> good evening, jdev
[02:35:06] <codora> hey, i have a question. is there such a thing as log synchronization over xmpp?
[02:35:16] <codora> similar to the way skype does it?
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[03:29:27] <codora> /me yawns tiredly
[03:29:35] <codora> sleep well, everyone. i'm going to head to bed.
[03:29:44] <codora> !xep log synching
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[09:51:34] <dwd> Isn't CET currently +0200? So isn't PSA's UTC time wrong?
[09:52:21] <Alex> we switched to summer time this Sunday
[09:52:31] <Kev> CET is UTC+1.
[09:52:37] <Kev> But Paris isn't currently in CET.
[09:52:45] <Kev> (It's on CEST)
[09:52:53] <Alex> depending on daylight, its +1 or +2
[09:53:14] <Alex> daylight=DST
[09:55:57] <Alex> yes its CEST, and should be currently UTC +2
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[10:04:56] <dwd> Oh. There's an IETF 83 app for Android.
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[14:04:27] <codora> good morning :3
[14:05:07] <ralphm> codora: good afternoon :)
[14:05:12] <codora> :3
[14:05:24] <codora> hey ralphm
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[21:07:35] <Dimme> Hello everybody. My name is Dimitrios and I'm interested in developing for the iOS client.
[21:09:01] <Dimme> I'm from Sweden and I'm studying computer science and engineering
[21:12:00] <Tobias> hi
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[21:30:45] <codora> hello Dimme, welcome
[21:30:59] <Dimme> Thank you!
[21:31:25] <MattJ> Dimme, which iOS client in particular?
[21:31:45] <MattJ> This is a general room, so there might be one more specific for whichever project it is
[21:31:57] <Dimme> iOS buddycloud client =)
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[21:32:31] <MattJ> Ah, you'll find that at seehaus@channels.buddycloud.com
[21:32:41] <Dimme> Oh thanks!
[21:32:54] <MattJ> Friendly bunch :)
[21:33:33] <Dimme> What other mobile projects are out there? In the ideas page all I see is this one
[21:34:32] <MattJ> I wasn't sure if Swift had listed a mobile version or something
[21:34:36] <Dimme> I've been developing for ios devices the last year (2011) and I would like to use my experience acquired at work
[21:35:14] <Dimme> i will take a look in to that
[21:36:37] <mathieui> Would be nice to have the Beem guys resurrect with a GSoC project, though :(
[21:37:35] <Dimme> Would a proposal do the Gods work?
[21:37:36] <MattJ> I've given up on mobile XMPP clients until one gets its act together and supports compression, stream management and not draining the battery
[21:37:49] <Zash> Good mobile clients for mainstream devices would do a lot for XMPP adoption
[21:38:14] <Dimme> I hate the fact that the most clients use some kind of proxy
[21:38:20] <Dimme> there is no real native client for ios
[21:38:20] <MattJ> Indeed
[21:38:26] <MattJ> Nor Android :)
[21:38:49] <Tobias> how native?
[21:39:03] <mathieui> 23:37:36 MattJ> I've given up on mobile XMPP clients → Poezio over SSH :D
[21:39:22] <MattJ> I've given up on SSH over GPRS :)
[21:39:25] <Zash> Swift over ssh/X11
[21:39:27] <mathieui> ooww
[21:39:29] <MattJ> and the font so small you can barely read it
[21:39:33] <ralphm> Mattj: really? Do you know how N900/N9 are holding up? I have both myself, and it /appears/ that the N9 is doing reasonably.
[21:39:51] <Zash> XMPP on N900 is awesome.
[21:39:53] <Dimme> I may be mistaken but I mean native = no proxy in the between
[21:39:58] <MattJ> ralphm, N900 definitely doesn't do 198
[21:40:04] <MattJ> No idea about N9
[21:40:10] <mathieui> MattJ, well, freetalk over ssh over gprs could do, though not really practical
[21:40:18] <Zash> Someone said that the N9 didn't have Real XMPP by default
[21:40:21] <ralphm> MattJ: can I see this in the prosody logs?
[21:41:09] <ralphm> Zash: it does, but there is no GUI support for it by default. It does have that for Google Talk, and as it is all just telepathy under the hood, it is easy to configure.
[21:41:35] <mathieui> ralphm, yeah, but the core files for protocol support are here, though
[21:41:58] <ralphm> mathieui: didn't I just say that?
[21:42:26] <mathieui> fair enough
[21:43:10] <ralphm> mathieui: somebody also figured out that there is *full* UI support for group chats, except for a UI for actually joining one.
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[21:43:49] <MattJ> Ha
[21:44:29] <ralphm> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178692
[21:44:53] <mathieui> someone didn’t thing this through.
[21:44:57] <mathieui> think*
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[22:02:29] <ralphm_> From N9
[22:02:42] <MattJ> :)
[22:02:48] <Zash> :D
[22:03:04] <ralphm> pretty nice with colors and stuff
[22:03:53] <Zash> Shiny
[22:05:15] <ralphm> the only thing that is weird is that when you type, the typed message shows in a bubble, and when it comes back from the server, another one is added with 'delivered' in front of the timestamp
[22:05:27] <ralphm> I would have thought it would replace the original one
[22:05:48] <Zash> Or ignore it
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[22:06:08] <Zash> So, it's more polished on the N900
[22:06:08] <ralphm> well, the delivery notification is nice, I think
[22:07:17] <ralphm> Zash: the implementation on the N900 doesn't do room history properly
[22:07:25] <Zash> True
[22:07:38] <ralphm> this one does, and I like the UI a lot better, too
[22:08:14] <Zash> But "I don't have to mess with CLI to join a room"
[22:08:35] <Zash> by default
[22:08:51] <ralphm> Zash: I believe the UI for joining a MUC only came to N900 in later PRs. So who knows what PR1.3 for N9 brings.
[22:08:53] <Dimme> is there cli on nokia?
[22:09:14] <Zash> Dimme: On the N900, yes.
[22:09:34] <ralphm> Dimme: Harmattan on the Nokia N9 is really a Debian-derived distro
[22:09:52] <ralphm> as is Fremantle on the N900
[22:10:13] <Dimme> nice, haven't used one, good to know
[22:10:24] <Dimme> is that the one having nfc ?
[22:10:33] <ralphm> N9 has NFC, indeed
[22:10:47] <Dimme> you can do pretty cool stuff with libnfc then =)
[22:11:28] <ralphm> sure
[22:11:44] <ralphm> MattJ: is there an easy way to see if N9 uses XEP-0198? E.g. in the Prosody logs?
[22:12:25] <MattJ> If you have mod_smacks installed and enabled then it should print some messages in the logs when activated (grep for smacks)
[22:20:12] <dwd> Just seen that IMified (IM bot hosting) is shutting down.
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[22:21:49] <codora> http://factsaboutqueers.com/post/20025886761/fact-in-order-to-fully-transition
[22:25:24] <ralphm> dwd: I'm not sure if I understand their reason, though.
[22:27:28] <dwd> ralphm, Well, it's clear they reckon the revenue doesn't cover their costs, which seems a simple enough reason.
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[22:29:44] <ralphm> dwd: yeah, but that's not (exactly) what they write on the front page
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[22:51:00] <Tobias> how would you call someone who has invited you?
[22:53:10] <MattJ> In what context?
[22:53:28] <MattJ> Inviter is a noun, but not used all that much in my experience
[22:53:50] <Tobias> in context of MUC invites...from sounds boring
[22:54:03] <Tobias> though about *host*...but that could be confusing
[22:54:12] <Tobias> thought
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[23:19:27] <ralphm> Tobias: I think inviter is a great noun for that.
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