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[00:06:18] <xa0c> You can also check some values in Advanced Settings Editor
[00:06:35] <xa0c> ignore_ssl_errors
[00:06:53] <xa0c> and warn_when_insecure_ssl_connection
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[05:57:34] <ford35809> hola
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[09:02:20] <PaulFertser> Hi :) It seems like XMPP doesn't work well over unstable links with many different android clients, messages are often lost.
Is this an issue with the protocol or the implementation? Are there some guidelines or additional XEPs?
[09:03:30] <Link Mauve> You could be interested in [xep 198] or in BOSH.
[09:04:02] <Link Mauve> They are XEPs which aim to fix those issues.
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[09:07:37] <PaulFertser> BOSH sounds like a dirty hack, not really needed when a device han internet connection.
[09:09:57] <Kev> BOSH is quite a clever hack, but yes.
[09:10:06] <Kev> 198, on the other hand, is meant for exactly the situation you describe.
[09:11:30] <PaulFertser> Hi :)
[09:11:43] <Kev> Morning.
[09:12:01] <PaulFertser> Yes, i see, but it looks like it gained too little traction.
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[09:13:08] <PaulFertser> Message receipts are supported by most software but it doesn't help with unstable tcp connections to the server, alas. So
XEP-198 seems to be a necessity.
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[09:14:24] <PaulFertser> M-link product description page doesn't list 198 it seems.
[09:14:32] <Kev> M-Link (although possibly not the ancient version on jabber.org) supports at least the acking part of 198. Prosody also supports
[09:14:50] <Kev> Client-side Swift supports acks, I'm sure other clients must too.
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[09:19:39] <PaulFertser> Stream resumption looks nice and useful too.
[09:20:25] <PaulFertser> Also, if jabber.org with its current version doesn't support 198 at all i do not know what server to recommend to my peers
who's using mobile internet.
[09:21:07] <Kev> As their client is likely to be based on Smack (Java library) anyway, it probably doesn't matter if the server supports 198
- I don't think Smack supports it.
[09:21:24] <Alex> PaulFertser: I work a lot with Bosh, and it really works well on Mobile
[09:21:53] <Alex> BUT, it often needs lots of customizing and tweaking on the server and in the libraries for different use cases
[09:23:06] <PaulFertser> Yes, Smack doesn't implement it yet http://issues.igniterealtime.org/browse/SMACK-333
[09:23:38] <PaulFertser> I personally do not like abusing technologies for no real reason other than some stupid firewalls or the like.
[09:24:16] <Alex> ya, I prefer also tcp/ip with stream managment
[09:24:51] <Alex> if you have low bandwith or weak conditions from my experience a persistant socket works much better than HTTP
[09:25:14] <Alex> but BOSH with Keep Alive and Pipelining is similar
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[12:07:37] <coward60371> hi, is the3re currently any known problem with jabber.org services? becuase since yesterday evening i'm not able to connect
with my account anymore
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[12:39:35] <Kev> louiz’: You're the main instigator of poezio aren't you? Could you let me have your email address, please?
[12:53:40] <louiz’> yes: firstname.lastname@example.org
[12:53:49] <louiz’> Kev ^^
[12:53:58] <Kev> Thanks.
[12:54:19] <Kev> Oh, I already had that.
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[13:05:19] <domme> hey kev
[13:05:44] <domme> i guess you hadnt have time for the PEP issue, can i file a bug report or a ticket somewhere so you dont need to remember?
[13:06:10] <Kev> I've just checked, and I'm able to set PEP from Psi fine.
[13:06:21] <domme> mhhh
[13:06:39] <domme> so i can bug elessar to fix jreen
[13:07:36] <domme> any idea what libjreen does different to libiris? you saw the raw xml output iirc
[13:07:42] <Kev> http://nopaste.doomsong.co.uk/1332248858.php
[13:09:28] <Kev> Although there does seem to be some problem there, as I'm not seeing it get broadcast to my other accounts.
[13:10:02] <Kev> I've tested against a newer version of the software, where it's working fine, though. I'm hoping we'll be upgrading the service
in a month or two, so hopefully if it doesn't resolve itself beforehand, it will then.
[13:13:18] <domme> is there a chance for me to test with the new software as well?
[13:14:04] <Kev> That's a good question.
[13:14:14] <Kev> It's not Free, so you can't just download it.
[13:14:36] <domme> i would like to know whether it's the server alone, libjreen or my code in tomahawk
[13:14:50] <domme> hehe, bummer
[13:16:46] <domme> Kev: i guess you cant give me a test account or know any other server that runs the new version already?
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[13:17:28] <Kev> I think jabber.org is the only server that allows public registrations running the software.
[13:17:46] <domme> oh what the :)
[13:21:33] <PaulFertser> We should feel honoured ;)
[13:22:06] <domme> /me coughs
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[14:38:59] <domme> Kev: thanks for the help
[14:39:01] <domme> bye
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[15:34:16] <arthur35362> Ey! ...I need configurate my Jabber profile to use it with a new data base to fix employment documents; for the
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[15:36:07] <arthur35362> suffering identity theft... could I set up the new account with OutlookExpress or other software at this respect? "email@example.com"
[15:36:37] <arthur35362> Hello anybody!
[15:37:07] <PaulFertser> arthur35362: hey
[15:37:20] <PaulFertser> arthur35362: Please rephrase your question
[15:37:41] <PaulFertser> arthur35362: it's absolutely unclear now
[15:38:44] <Kev> arthur35362: jabber.org isn't an email service, you can't use it with Outlook.
[15:39:12] <psa> thank god it's not an email service, too :)
[15:56:02] <arthur35362> OK!
[15:56:46] <arthur35362> Thanks...bye.
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[16:03:40] <Tanguy> Using the same addresses for email and for Jabber is not uncommon, though.
[16:03:47] <Tanguy> (and it is quite useful, in fact)
[16:05:49] <Kev> It's very uncommon on jabber.org
[16:06:04] <ThurahT> I have an account like that. Too bad the two services is totally isolated.. : /
[16:07:03] <Tanguy> jabber.org is not such a provider, but it is usually the case for personal or corprorate services.
[16:07:10] <Tanguy> (not to mention Google Mail)
[16:07:25] <Tanguy> What do you mean ThurahT?
[16:07:38] <PaulFertser> Too bad arthur came and left and that made no sense at all :/
[16:08:02] <Tanguy> Indeed. :-)
[16:08:23] <ThurahT> the provider in my case (lavabit.com) has no functions connecting the xmpp serive with the email.
[16:08:29] <ThurahT> *service
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[16:10:05] <Tanguy> What do you mean, connectinf the XMPP service with email?
[16:10:11] <Tanguy> connecting*
[16:10:30] <ThurahT> like email transports or pep or anything
[16:10:49] <ThurahT> notifications.. those things
[16:19:58] <Tanguy> Email transport would not be very practical, many things would be lost.
[16:20:07] <Tanguy> Notifications would be a nice thing though.
[16:20:26] <Tanguy> Err, no, even notifications would be useless, there is no need for such a thing.
[16:20:58] <Tanguy> (because it already exists for email, no need to introduce Jabber stuff for that)
[16:22:58] <psa> Tanguy: correct
[16:23:10] <ThurahT> : (
[16:23:12] <psa> Tanguy: although there are jabber notifications for Sieve scripts
[16:23:46] <ThurahT> I'd like a notification in my xmpp client anyway..
[16:23:53] <Tanguy> What for?
[16:24:08] <Tanguy> You need an email client anyway, which can already notify you…
[16:24:11] <ThurahT> since it always opened. My email client is not
[16:24:25] <Tanguy> Oh well, that is strange, but why not after all…
[16:24:33] <RandomGuy> I guess it could be nice for people using webmails...
[16:24:52] <ThurahT> this mail is both.
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[17:24:58] <badwboy> hi
[17:26:45] <psa> hi
[17:27:43] <badwboy> :P
[17:27:58] <psa> can we help you?
[17:27:59] <badwboy> i new here
[17:28:04] <psa> welcome :)
[17:28:36] <badwboy> i join from my n900
[17:28:48] <psa> nice!
[17:29:17] <badwboy> how y
[17:30:43] <badwboy> hi
[17:31:16] <badwboy> from any city you
[17:31:21] <psa> badwboy: where are you located?
[17:31:29] <psa> badwboy: I'm in Denver, Colorado, USA
[17:36:06] <badwboy> im from egypt
[17:37:57] <badwboy> alo
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[18:42:57] <miglo> Hi! If I wanna contact a person that gave me an ICQ id then do I need to have also an ICQ account or can I contact this person
by just having a Jabber id via those transports?
[18:43:11] <psa> hmm
[18:43:25] <psa> it's easier to use a multi-protocol client like Pidgin or Adium or Trillian
[18:44:11] <Link Mauve> Either with a transport or with a multi-protocol client, you’ll need a legacy account.
[18:44:27] <psa> oh
[18:44:34] <psa> yes, you need an ICQ account :)
[18:44:50] <miglo> that's also my understanding, but I was not sure
[18:46:37] <miglo> and if my pc is turned off and someone sends a message to me, if possible, will I see this message if I start my Jabber client
[18:48:44] <Link Mauve> It’s up to the transport you use. I’ve heard things in this direction from Spectrum but currently it doesn’t support that.
[18:52:41] <miglo> does someone knows whether the client PSI supports also video?
[18:53:25] <Kev> It doesn't.
[18:54:37] <RandomGuy> I never used it,but on Psi+ I get a "use video" checkbox when calling someone.
[18:54:55] <Kev> Maybe Psi+ does then. I don't think Psi does' though.
[18:55:26] <miglo> oh, very interesting. than I should maybe give PSI+ a try
[19:17:22] <miglo> the PSI+ web site looks very ... russian
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[19:17:58] <Z_God> miglo: you can also use an AIM account or Mail.Ru account to contact an ICQ user
[19:17:58] <Z_God> Psi+ has video support, in Psi it's not working without some patches
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[19:25:55] <MattJ> .
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[19:31:50] <miglo> ah, I see messages that have been send to me when I was disconnected
[19:32:27] <miglo> unfortunately, PSI+ was not able to connect to the Jabber server, so I switched back to PSI
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[19:34:06] <miglo> oh, now it works, but I don't see a possibility to initiate a video call
[19:34:15] <johnson8250> Which characters are allowed for passwords and usernames?
[19:35:06] <johnson8250> ...and how much?
[19:36:49] <miglo> RandomGuy: have you installed any additional plugin for video?
[19:37:02] <RandomGuy> miglo: in Psi+ I right click on a nick-->voice call and it asks for video too.
[19:37:16] <Link Mauve> johnson8250, 1024 characters for the username, a lot of printable Unicode characters but not all (see the stringprep spec
for more info).
[19:37:26] <miglo> hm, in my case not
[19:37:27] <Link Mauve> For the password it’s up to the server you use.
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[19:38:24] <RandomGuy> In Options-->Voice Calling there are also options for video. I don't have a webcam so I never tried it though.
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[19:39:29] <miglo> aaah, there it is - thanks a lot RandomGuy
[19:40:41] <cleveland44512> Link Mauve, thanks for the answer, dashes and underscore are ok for the username? case sensitive password?
[19:41:12] <Link Mauve> Yeah, they are.
[19:41:30] <Link Mauve> For the password my server is case sensitive, but it’s up to the server used.
[19:41:52] <Link Mauve> You shouldn’t assume they are case insensitive.
[19:41:52] <miglo> so it seems that PSI+ is the better choice because of some additional functionality
[19:42:13] <MattJ> The password will be case-sensitive on basically every server
[19:42:20] <MattJ> Most auth mechanisms hash it
[19:43:31] <cleveland44512> Ok - Thanks. Hmmm - any way to test the account directly on the server (jabber.org) without any client in between?
[19:43:59] <MattJ> telnet, but I wouldn't recommend it :)
[19:44:22] <MattJ> The auth mechanisms clients will use require hashing and calculations
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[20:12:13] <badwboy> hi
[20:12:28] <badwboy> :P
[20:13:18] <badwboy> any 1 here
[20:13:37] <MattJ> Hello
[20:14:29] <badwboy> hi how are you
[20:15:30] <badwboy> :P
[20:16:05] <MattJ> Sorry, busy :)
[20:16:17] <MattJ> Too busy for random chat - anything you need help with?
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[20:39:59] <badwboy> hi
[20:40:12] <miglo> aloha
[20:41:25] <badwboy> hello
[20:41:51] <badwboy> :(
[20:42:08] <miglo> how is the wether in agypt?
[20:43:37] <badwboy> good
[20:44:04] <badwboy> and in usa
[20:44:32] <miglo> don't know
[20:44:46] <badwboy> why
[20:45:01] <miglo> cause I'm on the moon
[20:45:15] <badwboy> what
[20:45:33] <badwboy> in the space
[20:46:53] <badwboy> alo
[20:47:09] <badwboy> u r busy
[20:47:24] <badwboy> or free
[20:47:26] <miglo> exactly
[20:47:28] <miglo> not really, I'm playing around with PSI+
[20:48:48] <badwboy> ok but u really on moon in space
[20:49:01] <miglo> playing with the service discovery functionality
[20:49:31] <badwboy> u live in moon
[20:49:49] <miglo> no, this was just a joke :-)
[20:50:32] <badwboy> what ur name
[20:50:40] <miglo> which Jabber client are you using?
[20:51:03] <badwboy> in my n900
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[20:51:20] <badwboy> u from computer
[20:51:40] <miglo> do you know any good chat rooms?
[20:53:03] <miglo> what do you mean with "from computer"?
[20:53:27] <badwboy> it,s my ferst time to use jabber
[20:53:52] <miglo> same for me
[20:54:09] <miglo> so which client are you using?
[20:54:13] <badwboy> oh ;)
[20:54:58] <badwboy> i used it from my mobile nokia n900
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[20:56:33] <miglo> cool
[20:57:45] <PaulFertser> badwboy: are you using power-kernel on it?
[20:58:13] <badwboy> yes maemo5
[20:58:31] <badwboy> u used what
[21:01:26] <PaulFertser> badwboy: i can't use n900 because it has no decent free software GSM functionality. I used stock maemo kernel while developing
usb hostmode, then it's got integrated in the pk, so now pk is the most recommended one. Also, that community SSU is probably
ok'ish. I'm a bit sad seeing how n900 being such a nice hardware is still unusable for a free software enthusiast, so i stick
to my freerunner.
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[21:11:52] <badwboy> you mean on yr countery n900 not work gsm
[21:13:12] <PaulFertser_> badwboy: no, i have GSM coverage but there's no free software to properly use n900's gsm unit.
[21:14:24] <badwboy> in appes manegar
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[21:15:37] <PaulFertser_> badwboy: come on, get a clue
[21:16:06] <yzan92> دmiglo:
[21:16:21] <miglo> yupp
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[21:16:55] <badwboy> paul from where u
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[21:21:24] <badwboy> alooooo
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[21:23:10] <miglo> strange, there are millions of chatrooms but without participants
[21:23:47] <badwboy> yes
[21:24:21] <miglo> there are a lot of arabic rooms
[21:24:42] <badwboy> if you know 1 plz tell me
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[21:25:31] <badwboy> you know it's name
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[21:26:04] <badwboy> alo
[21:26:21] <miglo> I cannot read these arabic letters
[21:26:34] <miglo> and I cannot copy the name
[21:26:38] <badwboy> oh sorrey
[21:26:57] <badwboy> u r boy
[21:27:06] <miglo> I entered one, but it was empty
[21:27:27] <miglo> there are plenty of such rooms
[21:27:37] <PaulFertser_> If you folks are interested in random chats i suggest you rather try various IRC networks.
[21:27:56] <psa> :)
[21:28:15] <psa> yes, we need to clean out lots of old, unused chatrooms
[21:28:26] <badwboy> like me
[21:30:18] <PaulFertser_> psa: it seems to be strange on a first glance but IRC still feels much more suitable for groupchats.
[21:30:20] <miglo> actually, I entered this room because of some Jabber related questions
[21:30:43] <psa> miglo: we're always happy to answer jabber related questions
[21:31:48] <miglo> I already asked and got some helpful answers and started to play around with PSI+, that someone proposed
[21:32:05] <psa> aha, ok :)
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[21:32:50] <miglo> I guess PSI+ is now my favorite.
[21:33:11] <nixon58603> salam
[21:34:01] <miglo> malaicum salam
[21:34:23] <nixon58603> khobi?
[21:34:33] <nixon58603> che khabara?
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[21:35:45] <miglo> next, as new Jabber user, I tried to find some chat rooms with this Service Discovery function of PSI+, but found only empty
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[21:37:09] <miglo> and was a littler bit surprised that there are so many empty rooms
[21:42:24] <RandomGuy> I was surprised by the number of empty MUCs as well, don't you have some sort of script to delete unused chats?
[21:43:15] <RandomGuy> Like rooms that remain empty for a week straight get automatically deleted or something.
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[21:44:55] <miglo> it would be nice if one could search for rooms by use of wildcards or regular expressions, but this is maybe a client issue
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[21:46:03] <miglo> in the Service Discovery dialog an address can be specified but also a Node. does someone know what this node is?
[21:46:40] <psa> heh
[21:46:51] <psa> miglo: in general you can just ignore that
[21:47:39] <psa> miglo: in certain applications of service discovery, there is a fourth part of the address called a node that enables you
find even more information (e.g., information about supported ad-hoc commands)
[21:49:45] <miglo> if I create my own room and leave it as last person this room will still exist if this persistent flag is set and if not then
the room gets destroyed?
[21:50:15] <MattJ> Correct
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[21:53:00] <miglo> hm, I've created yesterday such a room but don't know where it is now :-/
[21:54:40] <RandomGuy> Now we know why there are so many empty rooms :P
Don't you remember how you called it?
[21:59:39] <miglo> found it
[22:01:21] <miglo> what I miss is the possibility to add a room that I have entered already to my bookmarks
[22:04:14] <RandomGuy> miglo: you can, right click on your account-->Group Chat-->Manage Bookmarks.
Or if you are already in it click on the star at the right of the topic.
[22:05:50] <miglo> there is no star in PSI+
[22:06:27] <miglo> if I'm behind a firewall and configure my client to use http, will voice and video work in this configuration?
[22:06:53] <badwboy> هاي
[22:07:18] <badwboy> any body used thes chat on n900
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[22:08:29] <RandomGuy> miglo: There is, http://psi-plus.com/wi/psiplus_patches_psi-muc-bookmark-toolbar-button.diff.png
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[22:10:21] <miglo> oh, I'm sorry. I used the window of PSI, instead of PSI+ which runs in parallel.
[22:13:46] <badwboy> any body know anther room have paeple
[22:14:09] <badwboy> berson's :S
[22:14:57] <miglo> badwboy: check this out http://search.wensley.org.uk/
[22:15:54] <miglo> there you can search for chat rooms and will see how many people are in the rooms
[22:17:10] <badwboy> ok
[22:19:17] <miglo> if I would like to have a conference with some colleagues than with the right encryption settings at client side our chat
based on XMPP should be secure, right?
[22:20:09] <psa> miglo: define "secure" :)
[22:21:53] <badwboy> you used jabber from computer or what
[22:22:08] <miglo> in the sense of that it cannot be easily read by use of wireshark or such tools. our chat is encrypted and cannot be read.
[22:22:27] <miglo> by others not joining our chat
[22:22:45] <psa> miglo: if you are all connected to jabber.org and you are using SSL/TLS to jabber.org and you are using a chatroom here at
conference.jabber.org then you are pretty safe
[22:23:03] <psa> miglo: to prevent others from joining your chat, you can set up the room to be "members-only"
[22:23:20] <miglo> ok, thanks for this information.
[22:23:33] <psa> /me is cautious about security terms because it's never 100% certain that you are secure :)
[22:23:52] <miglo> that's what I need
[22:24:13] <psa> you need 100%?
[22:24:41] <psa> miglo: read http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1 if you want to be scared :)
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[22:32:54] <RandomGuy> miglo: this might also interest you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
[22:33:05] <miglo> psa: wow, unbelievable
[22:39:04] <miglo> hm, what kind of encryption is XMPP using or supporting? have to take a look into the settings of PSI+
[22:39:44] <psa> miglo: we use SSL/TLS at jabber.org -- I am not sure exactly which ciphersuites though
[22:39:58] <psa> our certificate is issued by StartSSL
[22:43:45] <PaulFertser_> Why do they claim that the more GPG-encrypted messages they got encrypted with the same public key, the easier to brute-force
it. It doesn't make any sense to me.
[22:44:23] <ThurahT> who says that?
[22:44:27] <PaulFertser_> "The more messages from a given target, the more likely it is for the computers to detect telltale patterns" <-- wth this
is supposed to mean?
[22:44:28] <ThurahT> hi, btw.
[22:44:33] <PaulFertser_> ThurahT: hi :)
[22:44:43] <MattJ> PaulFertser_, that was about AES, no?
[22:44:44] <PaulFertser_> That's from the psa's link to a wired article.
[22:44:56] <ThurahT> ah..
[22:45:02] <ThurahT> /me checking bacllog
[22:46:08] <PaulFertser_> MattJ: AES was just mentioned as an example of a complex problem. Also i'm not sure their claim holds true for AES anyway.
[22:47:09] <miglo> hm, it reminds me a little bit of the cracking of WEP
[22:47:12] <MattJ> I can fully understand their desire for a large corpus of encrypted messages if they're looking to break it (whatever method
[22:47:29] <psa> if you guys are interested in such things, subscribe to the firstname.lastname@example.org list -- it's quite entertaining http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
[22:47:47] <ThurahT> 25 000 square foot data halls.. That would make a lot od pcu power.. But still not enough to brute ciphers..
[22:48:05] <MattJ> "Sign up here to get onto the NSA shortlist"
[22:48:28] <MattJ> FWIW I see that just about everywhere now :)
[22:48:40] <Tobias> MattJ, you don't want to be on the shortlist?
[22:49:23] <psa> ThurahT: some say that they're really just storing everything so they can break it later, or doing traffic analysis, or blah
[22:49:23] <PaulFertser_> miglo: i think WEP was never deemed secure. Those Wi-Fi Alliance folks are total nuts btw, have you read about the WPS vulnerability?
[22:49:25] <MattJ> ThurahT, bruteforce would be a stupid solution - practically every cryptography technique falls apart with enough scrutiny
[22:49:50] <psa> e.g., store every SSL session for later analysis
[22:49:56] <ThurahT> yeah..
[22:49:57] <psa> big data :)
[22:50:19] <PaulFertser_> MattJ: what about one-time pads then? ;)
[22:50:47] <MattJ> PaulFertser_, they were exactly why I said "practically every" :)
[22:50:57] <MattJ> Even they have problems depending on the source data
[22:51:01] <ThurahT> so.. how far did IBM come with that quantum cpu that NSA needs? : )
[22:51:05] <PaulFertser_> MattJ: also, weren't many simmetric block ciphers proven to be secure?
[22:51:21] <MattJ> PaulFertser_, no idea about that
[22:52:10] <PaulFertser_> psa: can wired be trusted? The article looks like a fine piece of "literature" but other than that seems to be quite shallow.
[22:52:27] <ThurahT> from now on all my communication will be rot13. That will show them.
[22:53:50] <psa> PaulFertser_: no one can be trusted, didn't you know that?
[22:54:05] <psa> PaulFertser_: but don't trust me, come to your own conclusions :)
[22:54:25] <ThurahT> haha..
[22:54:59] <MattJ> PaulFertser_, you're right - they were paid by the NSA to write that article. The "data center" will actually be empty, it's
just to scare us from doing anything bad over the internet
[22:55:22] <ThurahT> well, lets agree that nothing can be trusted as a trusted source.
[22:55:27] <PaulFertser_> psa: i mean is that a reputable source. E.g. LWN is nice, and i know Corbet really knows what he's writing about.
[22:56:24] <PaulFertser_> But that's an exception as usually Journalists have no good understanding of the topics they touch.
[22:57:05] <PaulFertser_> /me wonders wth he wrote journalists with a capital J :/
[22:57:06] <psa> PaulFertser_: I don't know enough to say whether he is reputable -- at least the folks on the crypto list I mentioned didn't
roll their eyes and say "oh yeah, it's that crazy James Bamford again, nothing to see here, move along"
[22:57:59] <psa> ok, it's time for me to head home and cook some dinner, I'll wave to the ubiquitous security cameras as I walk to the train
[22:58:15] <MattJ> Say hi from me
[22:58:26] <psa> I shall ;-)
[22:58:37] <MattJ> and to the RFID embedded in your Cisco ID card :)
[22:58:44] <psa> that too! :)
[22:58:54] <psa> /me disappears in a puff of smoke
[22:59:00] <miglo> have also to leave. thanks for all the interesting info.
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[22:59:12] <miglo> bye
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[23:02:36] <ThurahT> /me hears crickets
[23:03:51] <PaulFertser_> That Bamford writes that DES debuted in 76 and lasted for 25 years. But this makes no sense, there were known weaknesses even
before the AES was published.
[23:04:31] <PaulFertser_> And also trible-DES is still secure enough.
[23:05:00] <ThurahT> didn't NSA make AES along with some company?
[23:07:20] <ThurahT> no, that was SHA-1..
[23:09:11] <PaulFertser_> So these minor nitpicks show that article is more of a literature than decent information imho.
[23:10:04] <PaulFertser_> I guess that Bamford managed to somehow skip his university course on crypto.
[23:12:19] <ThurahT> DES was broken in 1999
[23:13:29] <PaulFertser_> And wrt WPS i really suggest reading http://sviehb.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/viehboeck_wps.pdf as this clearly shows how
really stupid the wifi alliance is.
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[23:15:12] <ThurahT> I'll have to read all this tomorrow. Gnight all.
[23:16:29] <PaulFertser> Good night
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