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[12:40:25] <Zash> (Why) is STARTTLS better than just SSL directly?
[12:40:37] <Kev_> Multi-hosting, for one.
[12:41:22] <Zash> Securitywise then?
[12:41:40] <Kev_> As far as I know they're equivalent, but I know almost nothing.
[12:45:48] <MattJ> I think if SNI had been around from the start, I double STARTTLS would have gained traction at all
[12:45:58] <MattJ> I doubt
[12:47:11] <Kev_> Although, it's still negotiation, so...
[12:47:24] <Kev_> I mean, it's better to know whether a service supports TLS, rather than blindly trying.
[12:47:37] <Zash> MattJ: implicit or explicit?
[12:47:48] <Zash> Kev_: Diffrent port!!
[12:48:17] <MattJ> Worked for HTTP :P
[12:48:26] <Kev_> Yes, for really large values of 'worked'.
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[13:03:51] <dwd> StartTLS, as a design, reduced port consumption (a hot issue around RFC 2595), and also allowed better application selection between TLS and the encryption capabilities of various SASL mechanisms. In the end, SASL encryption hasn't really been used much, however.
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[17:54:58] <Tobias> should vCard requests for MUC occupants always go to the in-room-JID, even if the real-JID is available in non-anonymous rooms?
[17:55:38] <psa> I'd say, if you have the real JID then use it
[17:56:07] <Kev> I wouldn't.
[17:56:52] <Kev> If it's a non-anonymous room (that is you know that the other party also has your JID), it's safe to use a real JID, but what if you know their JID and they don't know yours?
[17:57:58] <Tobias> Kev, ahh..you think admins might expose their JID when requesting vCards of visitors via real-JID?
[17:58:16] <Kev> Right.
[17:58:30] <Tobias> then it's probably best to go via in-room JID always
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[18:25:38] <MattJ> Gajim had that bug
[18:25:56] <MattJ> Which led to someone I banned from here taking revenge on my account
[18:26:14] <Kev> Down below 50 threads in my inbox \o/
[18:27:31] <Tobias> is this mention in MUC XEP?
[18:27:37] <Tobias> is this mentioned in MUC XEP?
[18:27:53] <Kev> I don't think so, I was just quite pleased - was 300odd earlier.
[18:30:32] <psa> Tobias: Fabio Forno brought up this issue a while back on one of the mailing lists but we never wrote a little best practices spec about it
[18:30:50] <Tobias> psa, so this would go into a dedicated XEP?
[18:31:40] <Kev> We should extend XEP-0045 :D
[18:31:45] <psa> Tobias: or into XEP-0045 -- I don't particularly have a preference
[18:31:54] <psa> Kev: it would likely be a few paragraphs
[18:32:38] <Tobias> hehe
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