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[15:37:06] <Furukoo> Hello
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[20:56:38] <Tobias> psa, is there anything special DNSSEC gives XMPP clients? other than an additional domain name check in addition to the certificate check?
[20:58:31] <psa> hi Tobias!
[20:58:33] <psa> well
[20:58:47] <psa> it enables you to trust the DNS data
[20:58:54] <psa> (for some meaning of "trust", of course)
[20:59:19] <psa> and eventually people will be putting keys in DNS so you would have an alternate trust path outside PKI
[20:59:40] <Tobias> psa, that would go via DANE then, right?
[20:59:41] <psa> = the DANE stuff at the IETF
[20:59:45] <psa> yes
[20:59:47] <Tobias> k
[21:00:10] <psa> speaking of which,I need to review the latest version of the DANE protocol spec
[21:00:43] <psa> brb
[21:02:52] <psa> and also speaking of which, linuxwolf and I just had a good chat IRL about DANE, DNA, dialback-without-dialback, etc.
[21:03:28] <Tobias> nice...results on XMPP ML?
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[21:04:09] <psa> Tobias: yes, in the next few days
[21:04:15] <Tobias> coolio
[21:05:49] <psa> basically, I think we can use DANE and .well-known as proof points, you can try those out-of-band before or during TLS negotiation, we don't need a way to signal those over XMPP, and we need to spec out how you proceed if you have those proof points for DNA
[21:06:25] <psa> we also need to figure out if we need stream features for piggybacking, d-w-d, and bidi, and exactly what those mean
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[21:14:40] <psa> hmm, interesting: http://www.jabbergate.at/
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[21:21:29] <Tobias> nice
[21:21:41] <Tobias> PSTN <-> Jingle gateway
[21:21:46] <psa> yeah
[21:22:01] <psa> who needs Skype-Out when you have Jabber-Out? ;-)
[21:22:06] <Tobias> right
[21:22:28] <Zash_> Who needs *-Out once everyone uses Jabber?
[21:22:41] <MattJ> Heh
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[21:45:15] <psa> heh, someone just poked me about http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-smith-opentoken-02.txt -- it's amazing that people keep finding such things
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[21:56:55] <simone.ranucci> hi all i am looking for ios / blackberry / symbian devs to work together on an XMPP project
[22:04:31] <psa> hmm
[22:06:11] <Tobias> .
[22:07:42] <psa> laggy
[22:08:14] <Tobias> yeah...wondering when Isode is doing something about it :)
[22:08:42] <Tobias> doesn't jabber.org have some kind of agreement with them?
[22:10:15] <MattJ> .
[22:12:15] <Tobias> http://www.jabber.org/2009/04/server-rfp/ quite some time back now...time passes fast
[22:15:04] <psa> heh
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[22:28:04] <ralphm> Quite some time back is much longer ago.
[22:28:16] <ralphm> Peter still answers e-mails from around 2009
[22:28:18] <ralphm> :-D
[22:29:40] <psa> heh
[22:30:15] <psa> actually the oldest message in my inbox is from November 2011, so I'm not doing too bad right now :P
[22:30:29] <ralphm> nice
[22:35:59] <ralphm> I once responded to a three year old post on standards@
[22:38:17] <psa> I've probably done worse :)
[22:43:51] <psa> bbiab
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