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[15:38:44] <Zash> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-suzuki-web-jingle-00.html
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[16:02:14] <Zash> MattJ, council?
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[17:11:43] <Tobias> Zash, is that WebRTC on its way of getting standardized?
[17:12:58] <Zash> Tobias: Seems so
[17:13:05] <Zash> There's even a IETF WG: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/
[17:13:27] <MattJ> Zash, I didn't thank you for poking me about council
[17:13:29] <MattJ> Thank you :)
[17:13:37] <Zash> Yw
[17:13:44] <MattJ> I really need to revive the ical plugin for riddim
[17:13:59] <MattJ> I already have an ical parser lib if you want to give it a shot
[17:14:35] <Kev> I would have poked you, if you weren't hiding from me.
[17:15:18] <Zash> MattJ: What would it do? Send pokes/invites?
[17:15:42] <MattJ> Zash, a starter would just be announcing it in a MUC
[17:15:46] <MattJ> Kev, I was here :)
[17:15:55] <MattJ> I'm hiding from the general population at the moment
[17:16:05] <MattJ> I've found a correlation between being online and work piling up
[17:16:21] <MattJ> If anyone here asks me to do anything, I'll have to disappear
[17:16:41] <MattJ> I'm getting to the point of just unplugging my ethernet
[17:19:00] <Zash> Delegate?
[17:21:26] <Zash> /me remembers that he had a magical thingy that indexed ical received though by events by time and location
[17:22:53] <MattJ> Zash, I've found a correlation between delegation and *more* work piling up
[17:23:24] <MattJ> It's just work disguised in other forms
[17:23:38] <Zash> MattJ, have you found any correlations between more work *not* piling up and anything?
[17:23:50] <MattJ> Yes, switching my laptop off and going for a walk
[17:24:08] <MattJ> But it doesn't make many people happy when I do that too often
[17:25:29] <Zash> Hm, like in a video I just watched, some economist said better fuel-efficiency increases fuel consumption
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[17:51:39] <dwd> MattJ, SPeaking of asking you to do things... MAM...
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[17:52:54] <Zash> dwd: I had to try very hard not to say that :)
[17:53:34] <dwd> It's OK. I have his mobile number.
[17:53:37] <dwd> /me cackles evilly.
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[18:41:51] <sezuan> Does anybody know what the p1pp from process one is? A subset of XEP-0060? Or is the documentation just a subset of XEP-0060?
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[18:45:44] <ralphm> sezuan: It is a stand-alone Publish-Subscribe service implementation. It uses XEP-0060 for the XMPP interface, and also provides support for a bunch of other publish-subscribe protocols, including pubsubhubbub.
[18:55:00] <sezuan> Thanks. I'm a bit unsure what's the purpose of this service. Are you aware if this gonna be sold as a service?
[18:56:30] <Zash> Isn't it a hosted solution?
[18:58:38] <sezuan> Right know, yes. It seems to be free and I haven't found anything about the future plans.
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[19:11:51] <ralphm> sezuan: I don't think it is free at all
[19:16:17] <ralphm> sezuan: i.e. there is a public service that the platform is provided with, but it has something called a "quota period" which limits what you can do with it. If you plan to use it for larger projects, I'm sure they'll be happy for you to pay them :-)
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[19:22:01] <sezuan> probably ;) At the moment I'm evaluating different pubsub solutions and even a paid services might be a solution. However, I prefer to run my own servers.
[19:23:55] <ralphm> sezuan: well, it all depends on what you are working on. There's no one-size-fits-all.
[19:29:02] <sezuan> ralphm, yeah, that's sure.
[19:35:35] <Zash> Hrr, I've got a pubsubhubub implementation that plain refuses work, but isn't throwing any error or anything :/
[19:36:36] <ralphm> your own?
[19:36:53] <Zash> Yup
[19:37:25] <ralphm> just fix it then :-)
[19:38:07] <Zash> curl: (52) Empty reply from server
[19:38:13] <Zash> Not much to go on :)
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[20:38:18] <nielsvh> Is there a way to create persistent rooms on the fly?
[20:38:37] <nielsvh> persistent muc rooms**
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[20:56:12] <naw> nielsvh: you have to open the room config dialog
[20:56:27] <naw> most times is auto opened when you create the room
[20:57:30] <nielsvh> The issue is that I am creating a auto filling script. But if that is the only way, I'll just deal with it like that.
[20:58:09] <nielsvh> Basically, no human is going to be touching/viewing the form.
[20:59:21] <Zash> The fields are standardised, so you don't need to guess at field names
[21:01:01] <naw> take a look to the spec http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#createroom http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#registrar
[21:02:38] <nielsvh> Thanks
[21:03:09] <nielsvh> I was looking at those the other day, which is why I had the question as to whether there was a formless way to accomplish the same thing.
[21:06:37] <Zash> What
[21:07:34] <Zash> error, cancel, forbidden on trying to subscribe to a pubsub node
[21:07:36] <Zash> le why
[21:08:04] <Zash> I've got 10 xterms open. Which will tell me why?
[21:09:34] <ralphm> nielsvh: the whole point of using Data Forms (here and elsewhere) is that it provides a way to do the configuration in a consistent way that is both usable by (partly) automated processes as well as humans
[21:09:54] <ralphm> the latter because the forms can be presented in a uniform way
[21:15:14] <nielsvh> Point taken.
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[21:20:50] <Tobias> psa, you know why xep-0054 has both? NOTE and DESC?
[21:21:07] <Tobias> both seem to be for free form commentary
[21:22:04] <psa> Tobias: I cannot justify why the jabber.org community felt it necessary to add the DESC element
[21:22:36] <Zash> \o/
[21:22:42] <Tobias> are both in use by clients? do you know anything about it?
[21:23:45] <psa> Tobias: we'd need to do some research
[21:24:08] <Tobias> /me starts up psi+
[21:25:21] <Tobias> it seems to use DESC
[21:26:02] <psa> that does not surprise me
[21:26:33] <psa> given that the early jabberites added DESC to the DTD, probably some implementers thought it would be a good idea to support it
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[21:28:27] <Tobias> so does Adium
[21:30:35] <ralphm> hmm, jabber.org (the site) seems unresponsive from here
[21:31:52] <psa> www.jabber.org ?
[21:31:58] <ralphm> yeah
[21:32:01] <ralphm> and archive.
[21:32:06] <psa> or http://jabber.org/ ?
[21:32:17] <psa> brb
[21:32:31] <ralphm> oddly, xmpp.org does work
[21:32:34] <Tobias> http://jabber.org wfm
[21:41:55] <psa> /me goes back to reviewing https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised/
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[22:17:51] <Tobias> do these sound about right? http://pastebin.com/hV1YNzLn it's about how often a field is allowed to occur in a XEP-0054 vCard, which tries to resemble https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2426#section-3.6.7
[22:18:07] <Tobias> where i left things out i have no idea
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[22:20:13] <psa> Tobias: looking
[22:20:34] <Tobias> GEO probably also 0/1
[22:20:55] <Tobias> or well..since one can have multiple addresses
[22:21:17] <Tobias> all pretty vague
[22:24:27] <psa> Tobias: I would need to check RFC 2426 again, and I think a few things might have changed in RFC 6350
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[22:25:29] <Tobias> psa, right..and the obvious follow up question would be, how existing clients (who expect 0/1) cope with getting arbitrary amounts of a field type :)
[22:26:02] <psa> Tobias: good question
[22:26:05] <Tobias> maybe i just go over and put a huge window in front of the user with syntax highlighted XML editing
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[22:26:14] <Tobias> i meant that's why XML *is* human-readable
[22:26:16] <Tobias> :P
[22:26:30] <Zash> Yes!
[22:26:46] <Zash> clix raw --interactive
[22:26:48] <Zash> best client ever!
[22:29:47] <psa> I used to like the old days of the telnet client ;-
[22:30:40] <Zash> :D
[22:30:51] <Zash> Then you'll love clix raw
[22:31:19] <Zash> especially if you're familiar with prosodys stanza building api, since that can be used
[22:33:15] <Tobias> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-10.3.4 wow: muse, cursh, date, sweetheart....why on earth did they stop there
[22:33:16] <Tobias> :D
[22:36:15] <Zash> victim, stalker, stalker-victim, enemy, someone-I-once-saw-on-the-buss, frenemy, your-mom, nemesis, arch-enemy
[22:36:18] <Zash> hm
[22:38:43] <Tobias> Zash, yeah..let's send a mail to the IANA and request those to be added ;)
[22:38:48] <Zash> Yes! :D
[22:39:23] <Zash> April 1st RFC anyone? ;)
[22:44:20] <dwd> No, that'd be no good.
[22:44:27] <dwd> You mis-spelt "bus".
[22:44:52] <Zash> /me blames his swedishness
[22:45:09] <Tobias> maybe he wanted to spell puss
[22:45:11] <dwd> I realise we can't all be British, true.
[22:49:49] <psa> huzzah, I finished my review of draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised, now I have only the 93 beautiful pages of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pcp-base/ to review tonight
[22:49:52] <Tobias> dwd, you're more familiar in the LDAP world? do the map vCards to LDAP directory descriptions or put it just in there as BLOB?
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[22:50:25] <Zash> -draft ietf.pcp.base
[22:50:28] <Testur> Zash: "Port Control Protocol (PCP)", Stuart Cheshire, Mohammed Boucadair, Paul Selkirk, Dan Wing, Reinaldo Penno, 10-Feb-12, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pcp-base-23.txt
[22:51:02] <Tobias> from the description it sounds a bit like UPnP/NAT-PMP stuff
[22:51:13] <Tobias> s/descritpion/summary
[22:51:25] <Zash> sure does
[22:52:48] <Zash> grep -c NAT 187
[22:54:37] <dwd> Tobias, We map it to a set of attributes.
[22:54:40] <dwd> Tobias, Well.
[22:55:01] <dwd> Tobias, Wel actually map it to a set of XEP-0154 attributes, and map *those* to LDAP attributes.
[22:56:23] <Tobias> hmmm..is the mapping without loss?
[22:59:30] <Zash> Prosody stores the serialized (Lua table representation) of the XML :)
[23:00:00] <Tobias> Zash, that's boring
[23:00:08] <Zash> I know
[23:07:11] <Florob> "The value-field contains a JSON representation of the Lua representation of the XML element. "
[23:14:47] <psa> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pcp-base-23#section-7 is most excellent: "it's idempotent, except when it isn't" :)
[23:22:44] <Tobias> heh
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