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[09:02:30] <segfault> How do I find chats about a specific subject globally?
[09:03:17] <segfault> 300 servers with 1 person means nobody communicates. 1 server with 300 persons is a crowd.
[09:03:41] <segfault> Assuming that someone is even here.
[09:04:26] <Alex> you mean a directory or search about group chat topics federated and globally?
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[09:05:21] <segfault> Alex: yes
[09:05:37] <Alex> segfault: I am not aware of such a project, but a great idea
[09:05:53] <Alex> this could be a cool GSOC project
[09:06:13] <segfault> Alex: who/what are you? Student?
[09:06:45] <Alex> segfault: no, I am not a student, just a XMPP hacker and long time member of the XSF
[09:07:03] <segfault> The only reason 'twitter' is popular is that there is only one Twitter server.
[09:07:19] <segfault> With Jabber there are a few hundred thousand.
[09:07:38] <segfault> If you shout something in twitter the whole world can hear it.
[09:07:51] <segfault> (there is no chat in twitter, just rambling)
[09:09:03] <Alex> segfault: you can so the same with XMPP, all you need is the software (webpage) for this
[09:09:57] <segfault> Alex: it was my impression that a room in a server X has nothing to do with a room in server WHY.
[09:10:06] <segfault> Y
[09:10:20] <segfault> Automatic corrections are annoying.
[09:10:26] <segfault> Especially when they are wrong.
[09:10:33] <Alex> your assumtion is correct
[09:10:55] <Alex> this are independant chat rooms, like IRC
[09:11:11] <Alex> so you can't compare MUC to twitter
[09:11:30] <Kev> Unless they're chained together with FMUC or something, anyway.
[09:11:36] <Alex> the xmpp equivalent to twitter is pubsub, pep or presence
[09:11:47] <Alex> not muc
[09:11:55] <segfault> What is muc?
[09:12:03] <segfault> Multi-user chat?
[09:12:11] <Alex> multi user chat, XEP-0045
[09:12:32] <Alex> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html
[09:13:25] <Alex> segfault: there are many xmpp based project like twitter
[09:14:48] <segfault> The problem with IRC is that there are channel operators that might be annoying assholes.
[09:14:53] <Alex> and the main idea of xmpp is federation and disributed network, not one big server
[09:15:09] <segfault> You need some democratic way to kick channel operators.
[09:15:50] <segfault> Now, as to how you do this over a network, I have no idea.
[09:15:53] <Kev> segfault: You have one - if you don't like the channel owners, you just leave and go somewhere else.
[09:16:14] <segfault> Kev: but not if the whole 'community' is in one place.
[09:16:19] <Alex> or run your own servers and own channels
[09:16:28] <Kev> If the community agrees the ops are annoying, they can all leave.
[09:16:51] <segfault> Yeah, I suppose I could just announce a new service somewhere.
[09:17:20] <segfault> I think it would even be better to simply not ban anyone, but have software to track conversations.
[09:17:21] <Alex> but this is a social problem, nota protocol issue
[09:17:39] <segfault> So, then you can ignore all conversations involving person X.
[09:17:51] <Alex> no neither XMPP, IRC or any other procol can solve this
[09:18:10] <segfault> The banning is annoying because channel operators decide for me whether or not I want to hear someone.
[09:19:12] <segfault> Well, the protocol could simply not have the option to ban.
[09:19:27] <segfault> But it requires software like above before users would accept it.
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[09:28:12] <Tanguy> 02-29 10:07 <== <segfault> The only reason 'twitter' is popular is that there is only one Twitter server.
[09:28:14] <Tanguy> 02-29 10:07 <== <segfault> With Jabber there are a few hundred thousand.
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[09:28:54] <Tanguy> segfault, ever heard of stuff like “telephone” or “email”?
[09:29:12] <segfault> Tanguy: yes, and there is only one network for that too.
[09:29:28] <Tanguy> If you did not, you may be interested, these may not be very popular technologies but they may be inspiring. ;-)
[09:30:04] <Kev> segfault: There are many interconnected public networks for telephone and email, just as with XMPP.
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[09:30:23] <Kev> XMPP has almost exactly the same network model as email.
[09:30:47] <Tanguy> Unless you are talking of closed XMPP systems such as Facebook's.
[09:31:06] <Tanguy> But being on that channel, he is not.
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[09:32:58] <Kev> Tanguy: There are similarly closed email systems, and phone systems.
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[09:39:05] <Tanguy> segfault, why are you leaving and joining again ever and ever?
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[11:33:42] <xa0c> gmail.com problem again...
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[12:11:51] <segfault> Tanguy: I am?
[12:12:08] <segfault> Tanguy: I thought I configured Pidgin to always be here.
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[12:13:51] <segfault> Tanguy: thanks for the pointer.
[12:14:04] <Tanguy> Well, the fact is that you are “blinking”.
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[13:37:34] <segfault> Tanguy: still?
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[13:42:32] <Tanguy> No, looks like it is solved.
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[18:37:29] <basam> د
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[19:44:05] <lincoln55627> hello
[19:44:21] <lincoln55627> I need help
[19:44:21] <psa> hi lincoln55627, can we help you?
[19:44:26] <lincoln55627> yes
[19:44:28] <lincoln55627> thanks
[19:44:35] <lincoln55627> i have a problem with my jabber.org account
[19:44:45] <psa> unfortunately I need to go away from keyboard for a few minutes, but I'll be back soon
[19:44:49] <lincoln55627> sometimes, like today i cannot see my contacts online
[19:45:02] <lincoln55627> gmail accounts are offline on my contact list
[19:45:36] <lincoln55627> can someone help me?
[19:46:44] <lincoln55627> i'm here for waiting someone can help me
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[19:47:42] <psa> lincoln55627: this is a known problem at the Google side and they are working to fix it
[19:47:54] <psa> it is not a problem with jabber.org
[19:47:59] <lincoln55627> yes
[19:48:03] <psa> many other servers are experiencing the same problem
[19:48:12] <psa> so we are waiting for Google to deploy a fix
[19:48:16] <lincoln55627> there's a workaround?
[19:48:22] <psa> there is no workaround
[19:48:28] <lincoln55627> :(
[19:48:31] <psa> we need to be patient and wait for Google to fix the problem
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[19:48:44] <eagle95> @}->--
[19:49:02] <lincoln55627> I imagined about that
[19:49:17] <lincoln55627> on the jabber org in the last december
[19:49:19] <eagle95> @}->--
[19:49:22] <lincoln55627> this problem was fixed
[19:49:25] <lincoln55627> :)
[19:49:32] <lincoln55627> i'll wait for a gBadFix
[19:49:33] <lincoln55627> :)
[19:49:37] <lincoln55627> thanks for your support
[19:49:49] <lincoln55627> very gentleman
[19:50:00] <psa> lincoln55627: thanks for being patient :)
[19:50:22] <lincoln55627> I prefer wait for long years instead to create a gmail account :)
[19:50:28] <lincoln55627> to wait..
[19:50:30] <lincoln55627> sorry for my english
[19:50:31] <lincoln55627> :P
[19:52:21] <eagle95> lincoln55627:
[19:53:09] <eagle95> naw:
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[20:27:20] <naw> eagle95: ?
[20:29:36] <eagle95> بسام
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[21:40:20] <reagan38889> sorry if this is already been asked a million times but is there some issue with the gtalk connectivity right now?
[21:42:02] <psa> yeah yeah yeah :)
[21:42:15] <psa> I will post something on the website *right now* :)
[21:42:29] <psa> there are problems on the Google side
[21:42:32] <psa> they are working to fix it
[21:42:41] <reagan38889> heh
[21:42:42] <reagan38889> ok
[21:42:44] <reagan38889> thanks ;)
[21:43:03] <reagan38889> like i said....i was sure it had been asked a million times but i did look at the website first ;)
[21:43:40] <psa> yeah, my bad
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[21:47:01] <psa> http://www.jabber.org/2012/02/google-talk-connectivity/
[21:47:56] <psa> /me posts on identi.ca and Twitter too
[21:50:28] <psa> so thanks for the poke :)
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[21:54:53] <reagan38889> sweet. thx ;)
[21:55:35] <reagan38889> they appear to be having the same issue with AIM as well
[21:55:42] <reagan38889> i dont see gtalk contacts there either
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[21:56:45] <psa> ah, interesting
[21:57:07] <psa> reagan38889: haven't used AIM since sometime in the year 2000, so I wouldn't know ;-)
[21:57:30] <reagan38889> hah. i still have a handful of people who refuse to use anything else so.... ;)
[21:57:37] <ThurahT> still don't understand why they have such problems with jabber.org..
[21:57:45] <psa> ThurahT: it's not just jabber.org
[21:57:49] <reagan38889> i tried several other jabber sites
[21:57:49] <psa> ThurahT: it's lots of XMPP services
[21:57:50] <reagan38889> same deal
[21:57:59] <ThurahT> I've got two other accounts which never have issues with gtalk servers.
[21:58:03] <psa> ThurahT: see discussion on the operators@xmpp.org list :)
[21:58:14] <MattJ> ThurahT, on which servers?
[21:58:22] <ThurahT> jabber.se lavabit.com
[21:58:28] <psa> /me resumes his review of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised/
[21:58:38] <reagan38889> ah well. thanks for the update and the website update ;)
[21:58:58] <ThurahT> I'll check the discussion also, thank you for link
[21:59:04] <MattJ> Interesting
[21:59:17] <MattJ> I have no issues, and I don't know anyone using Prosody who has issues
[21:59:27] <MattJ> but neither of those domains runs Prosody, so maybe it's just luck :)
[21:59:37] <ThurahT> hehe.. : )
[21:59:50] <psa> MattJ: seems to be a DNS resolution issue (or something) at gtalk
[22:00:52] <MattJ> Then yes, I guess it's just luck :)
[22:01:00] <MattJ> Installing Prosody helps your DNS resolve
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[22:04:23] <ThurahT> ah.. btw. Hope xep 309 get adopted everywhere.
[22:06:02] <psa> ThurahT: yeah I need to check over the Prosody implementation that Waqas did and then deploy it at xmpp.net (at least to get things started)
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[22:10:00] <psa> and today's clunky sentence goes to draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised ... "Interpreting these parameters and starting the reception therefore represents the entry point from which thereafter the receiver operation falls into the scope of this specification."
[22:11:06] <MattJ> I was wondering what you were complaining about, and then I hit a wall
[22:11:18] <ThurahT> sometimes I wish I was fluent in English..
[22:11:23] <MattJ> but I'm sure whatever it wants to say is just trying to break out
[22:11:53] <psa> ThurahT: you must be an American, eh? they usually wish they were fluent in English ;-)
[22:12:05] <ThurahT> haha..
[22:12:14] <ThurahT> no, I'm Swedish..
[22:12:20] <psa> at least that's what the Brits say :P
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[22:12:27] <ThurahT> theu do..
[22:12:30] <ThurahT> *y
[22:12:32] <MattJ> We do
[22:12:56] <MattJ> I can't even get my browser to switch to British English, I'm a second-class user of my own native language
[22:13:42] <Kev> Surely "British English" is "English English" or, for the sake of conciseness: "English" :)
[22:13:47] <MattJ> Just 10 minutes ago I was staring at a red underline on 'realising' trying to figure out if I'd made a typo I was too tired to see, or if my browser is just lying to me again
[22:14:28] <ThurahT> I also use British English in my browser.. Realising and Colour.
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[22:15:26] <MattJ> I was depressed when in Brussels a couple of years ago I saw some graffiti saying "color"
[22:15:51] <psa> my wife spent half of today converting some documents from American English to British English -- I kept sympathising with her, and emphasising that those Brits really do spell things that way!
[22:16:17] <ThurahT> hehe
[22:16:39] <MattJ> :)
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[22:17:40] <psa> it was a rather dolourous morning, I must admit
[22:18:54] <Kev> I *think* the Brit. spelling would be dolorous, although I'm prepared to be corrected.
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[22:19:33] <psa> my onboard dictionary says the British spelling is dolour, thus dolourous
[22:19:39] <ThurahT> I just had to look that word up.. I like British spelling.. Makes me feel like a Sir.
[22:19:40] <psa> see, even you have been corrupted!
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[22:19:45] <Kev> Interesting.
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[22:20:02] <psa> defend the ramparts! once more unto the breach, m'lads!
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[22:20:21] <ThurahT> oh.. this I know
[22:20:34] <Kev> Interestingly, my onboard dictionary agrees with dolour, but disagrees about dolourous.
[22:20:40] <psa> heh
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[22:21:15] <Kev> But The Internet agrees with dolourous.
[22:21:18] <ThurahT> same here actually.. gtk spell.
[22:22:54] <psa> well, these little differences add much of the colour to life, no?
[22:23:20] <psa> they really help you savour every moment
[22:23:44] <psa> shall I do you a favour and go back to my document review? ;-)
[22:24:32] <MattJ> What licence is it published under?
[22:24:50] <MattJ> licensed under...
[22:24:54] <MattJ> That's one of my favourites
[22:25:07] <MattJ> Ok, that last one was unintentional, I promise
[22:25:45] <ThurahT> /me is off to find better spells
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[23:21:13] <obama51193> hello i lost my password and already sent stpeter an email about a few hours ago with information does anyone know about how long it would take for me to get a replay back?
[23:21:25] <psa> haha
[23:21:31] <psa> it can take me months
[23:21:49] <psa> sometimes I get behind on password requests
[23:22:14] <obama51193> there is no other way to get my password?
[23:22:14] <psa> but I'll try to process some more tonight
[23:22:31] <psa> correction: you never get your password, I assign a new one
[23:23:54] <obama51193> right, my username is igaonline@jabber.org I would be very thankful if you find some time to create a new one for me. thank you in advance for your support sir.
[23:26:48] <psa> sure thing!
[23:30:46] <psa> obama51193: expect an email message from me soon
[23:31:32] <obama51193> really?'
[23:31:49] <obama51193> WOW! thank you so much, your awesome sir!!
[23:32:19] <obama51193> I will let you know when I get it.
[23:33:08] <psa> obama51193: by "soon" I mean in the next ~10 minutes :)
[23:36:37] <obama51193> still awesome. lol thanks again.
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