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[02:36:57] <nixon27685> how do i configure trillian for google talk?
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[04:40:24] <garfield8008> what is my google apps jabber id?
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[09:34:08] <jefferson46888> Hi. We are looking at deploying Jabber in our corporate environment. Can anyone help with any security questions please...?
[09:34:52] <Kev> We can try, I expect.
[09:34:55] <Alex> go ahead, and we will try ;-)
[09:36:04] <jefferson46888> 1. Are there any central "admin" controls that can be delegated to "administrators only"? 2. Can file transfers be blocked? 3. Can communications between Jabber clients be kept to users in the same domain / JID? What controls are there to prevent other Jabber users sending SPIM with hyperlinks to malware infected websites?
[09:36:07] <jefferson46888> Thanks
[09:36:32] <jefferson46888> Sorry, forgot 4. - Can the communications between the clients be logged?
[09:36:35] <Kev> Those are all server-specific questions.
[09:37:23] <Kev> With M-Link, for example, the answers are (I believe, without checking) 1) Yes 2) Yes (with provisos) 3) Yes 3b) Depends what you mean 4) Yes.
[09:37:25] <jefferson46888> Thanks. How do I o about finding out the server questions then? :)
[09:37:44] <Kev> You'd have to ask other vendors for answers for other servers, I think.
[09:38:07] <Kev> (I work for Isode on M-Link (among other things))
[09:39:23] <jefferson46888> Excuse my ignorence, but I think my management are looking at using Jabber.org. When I looked into a replacement IM, I fell upon Openfire. So what you're saying is that we should look at a closed system, rather than a public one?
[09:39:49] <Kev> Jabber.org is one server on the XMPP (Jabber) network.
[09:40:04] <Kev> You don't get any control over what happens to it, because the Jabber.org team run it how they want it run.
[09:40:12] <Kev> (I'm one of them, FWIW)
[09:40:43] <Kev> You can run your own server using the same protocol and federate with the rest of the XMPP network (or not, if you want).
[09:40:50] <Alex> jefferson46888: you have to run your own server, or if you don't want to then find a XMPP hosting
[09:41:13] <Kev> Just like you can have your own email server and be able to email the rest of the 'net, you can run your own XMPP server and be able to talk XMPP to the rest of the 'net.
[09:41:32] <Kev> M-Link is an example of such a server (in fact, it's the server that powers jabber.org).
[09:41:39] <jefferson46888> Thanks :) Would you mind if I took a record of this conversation?
[09:41:58] <Kev> I wouldn't - it's publicly logged anyway.
[09:41:58] <jefferson46888> isode.com right?
[09:42:12] <Kev> Sure, I can put you straight in touch with someone if you want to chat about this stuff.
[09:42:27] <Kev> If you'd like to avoid the web 'please tell me more' form.
[09:42:40] <Alex> jefferson46888: its already recorded ;-) http://logs.jabber.org/new/2012/2/28/jabber.html
[09:42:44] <jefferson46888> That would be so so good. I want to get rid of MSN and the 3rd party security controls, and would be great to use a secured version of Jabber! :)
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[09:43:45] <Kev> jefferson46888: Send a mail to kevin.smith@isode.com (me) and I'll put you in touch with someone who can help you more than I can.
[09:44:25] <jefferson46888> Thanks. I really appreciate that!
[09:44:55] <Kev> You're welcome.
[09:47:22] <jefferson46888> Right, I'm off. Thanks again Kev. I will contact you in the next couple of days. Have a good day! RL
[09:47:36] <Kev> Bye.
[09:48:47] <jefferson46888> Oh, and thanks to you too Alex. byeee...
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[17:05:09] <cleveland62242> ?
[17:05:21] <pengwen> ??
[17:06:04] <cleveland62242> nothing i'm just trying it
[17:06:11] <louiz’> it works
[17:06:44] <cleveland62242> just trying to use jabber to connect an android phone
[17:07:04] <pengwen> :D
[17:07:07] <cleveland62242> and i found myself here
[17:07:16] <pengwen> and it works!
[17:07:20] <cleveland62242> no :(
[17:07:29] <pengwen> no?
[17:07:57] <cleveland62242> i'm trying to connect it to xmpp server at first
[17:08:10] <cleveland62242> then it didn't work
[17:08:31] <pengwen> oh
[17:08:34] <cleveland62242> an here i'm searching for every chat server
[17:09:16] <cleveland62242> i have to go
[17:09:24] <cleveland62242> hoping it work :'(
[17:09:30] <cleveland62242> *works
[17:10:19] <pengwen> luck 2 ya
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[18:51:19] <taft45516> hi all
[18:52:46] <psa> hi
[18:52:56] <psa> can we help you?
[18:53:05] <taft45516> thanks for asking..
[18:53:23] <taft45516> a friend and me tried to avoid all the whatsapp/viber/kik.. stuff
[18:53:30] <taft45516> and went gtalk
[18:53:44] <taft45516> but then realized how unreliable it is
[18:54:14] <taft45516> now we're trying jabber.org+xabber
[18:54:49] <psa> what did you find unreliable about gtalk? and what features did you use? (e.g., just chat or also voice and video)
[18:55:19] <taft45516> extremely simple: just chat, we tried it for two days and lost at least two messages
[18:55:30] <taft45516> even though none of the two android phones were offline
[18:55:31] <psa> hmm
[18:55:43] <taft45516> we just checked the log over the phone
[18:55:48] <psa> interesting
[18:55:50] <taft45516> very disappointing :|
[18:56:02] <psa> well, of course, the best thing is to run your own server :)
[18:56:11] <taft45516> then we googled it and it seems that lost messages in gtalk are quite normal
[18:56:24] <psa> that way you're not relying on us to make jabber.org ultra-reliable
[18:56:40] <psa> however, I have not heard reports of lost messages at jabber.org
[18:57:01] <taft45516> this service is nice of you guys!
[18:57:17] <Kev> psa: Only when conversing with people on Google Talk, anyway.
[18:57:53] <psa> Kev: right, I'm talking about j.org to j.org users
[18:58:32] <psa> brb, on the phone
[18:59:18] <taft45516> whats up with gtalk anyway? the client seems a bit unfinished and add to that the unreliable nature of the service we experienced.. is that their answer to iMessage?
[19:00:53] <taft45516> i'm just very unfamiliar with xmpp thats why i have no idea what i'm supposed to do.. gtalk, not gtalk, xabber+jabber, xabber+google.. add to that the fact that you need to convince friends to join.. :)
[19:01:11] <taft45516> you know.. whatsapping/vibering/kiking friends
[19:02:01] <Kev> I have no idea what those things are.
[19:02:14] <taft45516> proprietary solutions
[19:02:53] <taft45516> they process your addressbook and add all your buddies based on their phonenumber
[19:03:11] <taft45516> i like xmpp more
[19:03:23] <taft45516> thats why gtalk seemed appealing
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[19:09:24] <taft45516> also very funny: running two services on one phone: jabber.org+xabber and gmail.com+gtalk.. gtalk insists on the xabber client being offline even though they can exchange messages.. ghhh
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[21:03:34] <nnnnn.87> Hi
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[21:08:45] <nnnnn.87> هاي
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[21:23:11] <nnnnn.87> hi zakariayaakm
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[21:39:50] <nnnnn.87> Hi Mattj
[21:40:24] <psa> hi nnnnn.87, can we help you?
[21:44:02] <nnnnn.87> How you can help me
[21:46:30] <nnnnn.87> tell me
[21:47:03] <ThurahT> the plot thickens..
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[21:51:16] <nnnnn.87> What :-?
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[21:52:14] <nnnnn.87> hi lhamam.ede
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[22:00:24] <psa> /me joins a W3C/IETF coordination call
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[23:11:20] <reagan47262> How do I reset my password?
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[23:13:59] <naw_> http://www.jabber.org/lost-password/
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