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[01:10:05] <Anonymouse> Arg! The google talk connection issues are still here!
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[01:46:41] <ThurahT> that was weird.. thought this room was quiet and all of a sudden some of the backlog and users drops in at once.
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[03:03:13] <☼हऋँँМιlαdहऋँ☼> Hi
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[07:06:04] <☼हऋँँМιlαdहऋँ☼> Bot
[07:06:19] <☼हऋँँМιlαdहऋँ☼> Help
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[09:41:41] <dane> و
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[14:41:36] <coolidge62121> Hi, might there be something wrong with the server? I get disconnected about 30 seconds after I log in. every time.
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[14:42:22] <Kev> Using what client?
[14:42:35] <Kev> I've had a stable connection for some hours.
[14:43:23] <coolidge62121> kopete. wierd. it seems to work now
[14:43:41] <coolidge62121> jabber.ccc.de worked perfectly fine though
[14:47:14] <coolidge62121> well been connected for a few minutes now. humm I guess I need to have problems all morning and then when I ask it goes away :P. I will keep that strategy in mind.
[14:48:04] <coolidge62121> bye
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[15:40:08] <harding53602> hello
[15:40:56] <harding53602> I'm a fan of XMPP since long time, and I'm thinking about a messaging system based on it to replace SMS on smartphone
[15:41:43] <harding53602> there are a lot of proprietary stuff out there, like whatsapp, viber, pingme
[15:42:04] <harding53602> i think a completely open solution would be very useful
[15:42:16] <harding53602> i read the internet and past discussion
[15:42:44] <harding53602> and I found an interesting post by google specifying why there are quitting using xmpp for mobile
[15:43:02] <harding53602> basically lack of support for instable connection and protocol verbosity
[15:43:22] <harding53602> the post cited date back in 2008
[15:43:38] <harding53602> Are there improvements in the standards and XEP since then?
[15:44:06] <harding53602> Is the a proposal or official way to efficientely implement xmpp for mobile?
[15:44:40] <harding53602> the relevant mailing list appears empty since dec 2010, therefore i'm writing here
[15:45:07] <Kev> There are various ways to decrease the amount of traffic you need at startup (e.g. roster versioning is part of the XMPP RFC these days), and XEP-0198 provides you with means to manage an unstable connection.
[15:48:32] <harding53602> I'll take a look at xep-0198 then. what about protocol verbosity? zlib doesn't seem a clever solution (waste cpu and battery)
[15:51:56] <Kev> I'm not convinced that zlib would be a significant battery drain.
[15:52:44] <Kev> (Given that whenever you're using zlib it's because you've fired up the radio to send/receive)
[15:54:01] <harding53602> it seems google checked better that
[15:54:02] <harding53602> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2008-February/018015.html
[15:54:59] <harding53602> by the way the idea of compressing doesn't seem very simple and elegant to me...
[15:55:30] <harding53602> it appears just a trick, which can work depending on the configuration
[15:56:41] <harding53602> that's why I'm asking if the XMPP forum is working or has already prepared some xep or guidelines to efficiently implement xmpp on mobile (and of course if not how can i help)
[15:57:23] <harding53602> (i hate the idea of dozen of messaging apps in smartphone... xmpp could be again the solution to the diffusion of dozen of incompatible messaging systems)
[15:57:43] <harding53602> iMessenger on Apple seems based to XMPP for instance, but I don't have details of it
[15:58:02] <Kev> While I'm not particularly interested in the mobile phone area, I'm interested in less reliable/lower bandwidth/higher latency environments.
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[15:59:53] <Kev> You'll note (possibly) that the two most recently published extensions are both related to such environments.
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[16:03:25] <Tobias> Kev, isn't mobile less reliable/high latency?
[16:03:40] <Kev> Tobias: Isn't mobile less reliable than mobile? No.
[16:04:04] <harding53602> yes. i not also that http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0286.html is deferred,which i don't know exactly will mean in the future
[16:04:29] <Kev> Deferred means the author didn't ask for it to be advanced - but that's just informational, if you read it.
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[16:07:42] <harding53602> Kev: ok, I was just wondering if the xmpp council is interested in that field. the problem is that i would like to know if xmpp could be a good solution or not. after the email by google employee in 2008 i didn't find so much activity in the mobile mailing list. I was asking to know if simply i couldn't find updated information, or just there are no real news on that
[16:08:12] <harding53602> of, course i can try to help, just want to know what's the situation right now
[16:10:00] <Kev> XMPP Council being interested in something isn't all that relevant - they don't write the specs.
[16:10:17] <Kev> (Other than if they think it's a bad idea to solve a problem and block any proposals)
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[16:19:11] <fillmore8370> Kev: ok, thank you for the explanation (sorry, browser crash)
[16:24:10] <psa> fillmore8370: we've already done some things for mobile optimization
[16:24:40] <psa> fillmore8370: e.g., roster versioning (now in RFC 6121) and stanza acking (XEP-0198)
[16:25:07] <psa> but perhaps we need to do more -- your feedback is welcome
[16:25:16] <Kev> psa: These things I've already said above :p
[16:25:37] <psa> Kev: no doubt ;-)
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[16:26:58] <teogenes> OLa
[16:27:18] <psa> teogenes: hi
[16:27:25] <teogenes> brazil
[16:27:26] <psa> teogenes: can we help you?
[16:27:57] <vanburen37814> psa, kev: thanks (sorry, again browser crash...)
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[16:28:21] <teogenes> no
[16:28:33] <psa> wow, lots of browser crashes
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[21:21:37] <jefferson25244> hello who can talk to if I lost your username and password to jabber
[21:22:08] <psa> hi
[21:22:14] <psa> jefferson25244: I can help you with that
[21:23:29] <jefferson25244> not know who can speak
[21:23:33] <jefferson25244> ?
[21:23:50] <psa> jefferson25244: see instructions at http://www.jabber.org/lost-password/
[21:25:40] <jefferson25244> ok thanks
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