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[10:03:27] <Alex> pierce47683: this is no test room!
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[12:46:43] <casta> hi, I just noticed that I lost contact with all my gtalk buddies. Maybe broken S2S connection again ? Am I alone to experience this ?
[12:48:44] <mebs> yes, I have the same problem
[12:50:19] <mebs> again: direction jabber.org->gmail seems to be ok, direction gmail->jabber.org seems to be broken
[12:52:06] <casta> ok thanks
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[13:50:43] <taylor47403> I think i haver the same problem. I have all gtalk contact offline
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[14:15:48] <nkt> i also have more gtalk connection problems (again).
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[15:33:07] <whitequark> hi
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[15:33:13] <whitequark> is there any way to make groupchat skype-like?
[15:33:29] <whitequark> so that when you enter the groupchat you'd receive all messages which were sent while you were offline
[15:33:36] <whitequark> I could run my own *jabberd, of course
[15:34:27] <Alex> a client can request the history by date, number of messages or default
[15:34:43] <whitequark> can Pidgin do that?
[15:34:53] <Alex> so yes, you can make it like skype and request the messages from a specific date when the sever support it
[15:35:20] <Alex> whitequark: dunno, I an on windows, and GTK programs suck there ;-)
[15:35:38] <whitequark> ok
[15:35:59] <Alex> but I have not seen a xmpp client yet doing this
[15:36:22] <Alex> most just join the room and let the server send the messages accoring to the default room config
[15:36:39] <whitequark> hm ok
[15:37:48] <Kev> Alex: Swift requests the mesages since your disconnect, within the same session.
[15:38:00] <Kev> (Since the last message it received, to be more accurate)
[15:38:18] <Alex> Kev: thats cool, didn't knwo that
[15:38:34] <Kev> XEP-0311 (MUC Fast Reconnect) is probably what you really want, but that's not implemented anywhere yet (XEP's only a week or so old).
[15:40:57] <whitequark> mhm
[15:41:08] <whitequark> yes, it probably is
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[18:50:39] <Neustradamus> yes there is a problem of presence with gmail.com
[18:52:46] <КiЙg_syЯiД> hi
[18:53:20] <КiЙg_syЯiД> test
[18:53:30] <КiЙg_syЯiД> clean
[18:53:37] <psa> hi
[18:53:41] <psa> nice nick
[18:53:45] <КiЙg_syЯiД> commands all
[18:54:09] <psa> time for a meeting, bbiab
[18:54:15] <Neustradamus> psa: have you look for google? :/
[18:54:16] <КiЙg_syЯiД> psa: tank you
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[18:54:31] <psa> Neustradamus: ??
[18:54:44] <Neustradamus> "yes there is a problem of presence with gmail.com"
[18:55:20] <КiЙg_syЯiД> i am abdo
[18:55:29] <celebear> status problems with google accounts persist, it's been a few weeks now
[18:55:44] <celebear> last couple of days, messages from google accounts to here haven't come through
[18:55:51] <Neustradamus> ok :/
[18:56:22] <КiЙg_syЯiД> bya all
[18:56:40] <КiЙg_syЯiД> (exit)
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[18:56:57] <celebear> jabber.org admins, any info I can give, etc?
[18:58:12] <psa> celebear: I have a meeting right now but I will send a quick message to the google admins to see if they know anything on their side
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[19:22:10] <celebear> where could I get in touch with the google people?
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[19:49:49] <psa> celebear: they have an email address of xmpp -at- google -dot- com
[19:50:00] <psa> this is a standard email alias for XMPP administrators
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[19:58:19] <celebear> bye, gotta go
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[21:59:35] <species.zero> Hey, so, I wanted to check and see if my gtalk contacts not showing up is a problem on my end or a general problem right now.
[22:00:14] <psa> general problem
[22:00:19] <psa> I've contacted the google talk team
[22:00:30] <species.zero> Ah, okay. Thanks
[22:00:39] <psa> perhaps it would be good for me to post to the website about this :)
[22:04:03] <mebs> on wednesday Kev restarted the server and It was ok then...
[22:04:09] <psa> yeah
[22:04:20] <psa> but we don't want to restart the server every few hours ;-)
[22:04:40] <mebs> yes, I agree :)
[22:05:48] <species.zero> Haha, yeah, that'd be an awful hack
[22:06:10] <species.zero> Make shutdown -r -t 1800 a startup task :P
[22:06:55] <psa> :)
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[22:39:42] <Z_God> I used to have my jabberd2 s2s daemon restart every night ...
[22:42:59] <psa> ye gods, Z_God! :)
[22:43:45] <Z_God> yea :)
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[22:47:27] <Z_God> that's an interesting way to spam a room...
[22:47:40] <Z_God> a huge away message with loads of newlines
[22:48:55] <Minos> indeed
[22:48:58] <Minos> all in arabic
[22:49:40] <Minos> just in case we wanted to actually read it
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[22:50:11] <Z_God> it seems he doesn't believe in friendship or smth like that
[22:50:32] <Z_God> maybe I should trust automatic translators too much
[22:51:22] <Z_God> shouldn't*
[22:51:35] <Minos> :D
[22:51:59] <psa> heh
[22:52:06] <Minos> Watch out, we’ve got an emo over here
[22:52:48] <louiz’> heh
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[23:00:53] <Z_God> did anybody read this article btw? http://habrahabr.ru/company/mailru/blog/133274/
[23:01:20] <Z_God> it's in Russian, but Google translate will make sense of it
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[23:02:15] <Z_God> it's about why Mail.Ru chose to not use XMPP for any their own network (and they implemented SIP to make ICQ federate at least with their own network ?!?)
[23:03:10] <Tobias> chrome doesn't want to translate it
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[23:03:54] <Z_God> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhabrahabr.ru%2Fcompany%2Fmailru%2Fblog%2F133274%2F
[23:03:59] <Z_God> that should work I guess
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[23:07:32] <Tobias> security isn't mentioned at all ^^
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[23:08:10] <psa> Tobias: oh, no one cares about security! ;-)
[23:08:30] <Tobias> psa, especially not if you run your own custom proprietairy protocols
[23:09:00] <psa> and it's amusing that they use SIP, since it's not possible to have anything but US-ASCII characters in SIP addresses -- but perhaps Russian people don't care about that either
[23:09:28] <Tobias> probably...and because it's so much SIMPLEr ^^
[23:09:51] <Tobias> SIMPLE is still the way to go if you want to IM via SIP, right?
[23:09:56] <psa> yes
[23:10:00] <psa> "if"
[23:10:24] <Z_God> it doesn't make sense I think though
[23:10:41] <Z_God> that they didn't pick XMPP for s2s between themselves at least
[23:11:26] <Tobias> i don't know to what problem of big services they are referring too...google has quite a large XMPP service, with an imense amount of s2s connections i can imagine
[23:11:38] <Z_God> there are some services now that seem to offer with XMPP and SIP federation at the same time, I wonder if that would be more common in the future
[23:12:06] <Tobias> sure there are still a bit optimization and security issues to solve...but it sure works find for them i think
[23:12:38] <Z_God> also yandex, qip & rambler run XMPP
[23:12:47] <Z_God> they are all really large in Russia
[23:13:05] <Z_God> and they also federate
[23:13:06] <Tobias> and facebooks chat team is opening a bit up on the XMPP side, slowly but still
[23:13:17] <Z_God> really?
[23:13:22] <Z_God> what's happening?
[23:13:54] <Tobias> Z_God, they intend to implement more XEPs, try to move more FB chat features available via standard XMPP / XEP interface where it makes sense and isn't too much hassle
[23:14:17] <Z_God> is there anything that I could have noticed already?
[23:14:28] <Tobias> Z_God, they have a private (although practically anybody who has a fb account can join) FB group where they discuss this stuff
[23:14:36] <Z_God> other than it being regularly broken recently
[23:14:49] <Z_God> ok
[23:15:03] <Tobias> Z_God, https://www.facebook.com/groups/315869928431057/
[23:15:22] <Tobias> it's not the ideal or best way imo, but at least they are trying :)
[23:15:31] <psa> Tobias: agreed
[23:16:02] <Z_God> I guess they have no choice though
[23:16:33] <Z_God> I'm signed up at quite a few social networks and almost all of them at least have an XMPP client interface
[23:17:02] <Tobias> and even if they don't open up on s2s side...a future with multi-account XMPP clients still looks nicer compared to the more complex multi-protocol clients ^^
[23:17:36] <Z_God> yes, indeed
[23:18:08] <Z_God> some claim they will do s2s once "blabla" is solved
[23:18:16] <Z_God> but it seems bs to me
[23:19:42] <Z_God> I'd like to see XEPs to manage things like photoalbums on such sites
[23:19:58] <Tobias> well...i can imagine federation can be quite a UI drama...how to represent remote contacts in your facebook list of friends (you could only message them, no game invites or other fancy stuff), and so on (with the current state of extensions)
[23:20:19] <Z_God> just do what other clients do
[23:20:24] <Z_God> do not offer those options
[23:20:33] <Z_God> the UI is already in place in most cases
[23:20:57] <Tobias> not offer those options? so not do federation?
[23:21:09] <Z_God> AIM, ICQ, Mail.Ru, etc., pretty much all those clients already offer XMPP c2s support
[23:21:43] <Z_God> for XMPP contacts they just offer less features in the context menus and less buttons in the message window
[23:22:14] <Tobias> yeah...but i wonder how the average FB user would resond to that
[23:23:22] <Z_God> sometimes the buttons are there, and they suggest the other to switch as well
[23:23:50] <Z_God> or they display a message that it's impossible because the other doesn't use the same service
[23:24:21] <Z_God> but I think the majority of the users only wants to use basic communication with other contacts
[23:24:52] <Z_God> facebook does some kind of e-mail federation now, but it's just incredible how hard they managed to screw that up
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