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[01:20:39] <iamintheconference> Hi
[01:20:46] <iamintheconference> what is a good room to talk about XMPP protocols and specs?
[01:25:41] <iamintheconference> Maybe jdev, I guess.
[01:54:29] <ThurahT> iamtootheconference: well, this is a good place but a bad time.. : ) Most folks are asleep.
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[01:58:19] <iamintheconference> I see.
[01:58:26] <iamintheconference> Let me repost what I posted in jdev, then. In case people wake up at some point.
[01:58:28] <iamintheconference> I have some questions regarding XEP-0116 and XTLS.
[01:58:45] <iamintheconference> Can XTLS provide end-to-end confidentiality between MUC clients?
[01:58:49] <iamintheconference> IIUC, XTLS will provide end-to-end confidentiality between a client and the MUC room itself,
[01:58:53] <iamintheconference> not between two clients of a MUC.
[01:59:36] <ThurahT> that xep seems abandoned..
[02:00:29] <iamintheconference> yeah nvm the xep
[02:00:38] <iamintheconference> i'm not even sure why I mentioned it.
[02:02:06] <ThurahT> you use pidignm, so if you want end to end encryption I'd suggest OTR. http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
[02:02:12] <ThurahT> *pidgin
[02:02:33] <iamintheconference> OTR won't work in MUCs.
[02:02:37] <ThurahT> nope
[02:02:40] <ThurahT> that is true,
[02:02:50] <iamintheconference> I'm looking for a solution that will allow me to have end-to-end confidentiality in MUCs.
[02:02:58] <iamintheconference> I want to see if someone has designed such a solution already.
[02:03:05] <iamintheconference> XEP-0116 and XTLS are my bets.
[02:03:19] <ThurahT> I haven't heard of any.. But then agian I don't hear that much..
[02:03:20] <iamintheconference> But they both seem to provide end-to-end confidentiality between me and the MUC service, and not between me and you.
[02:04:42] <ThurahT> yeah, well mucs are abit more complicated.
[02:05:16] <ThurahT> I heard that work was bing done over at cypherpunks but I don't know the status of it
[02:05:42] <iamintheconference> you mean cypherpunks.ca?
[02:05:45] <iamintheconference> the people who wrote OTR?
[02:05:51] <ThurahT> yes
[02:06:09] <iamintheconference> they wrote a paper on mpOTR (multi-party OTR) but it's incomplete
[02:06:22] <ThurahT> gues that is the one I am thinking of
[02:06:33] <iamintheconference> I'm still hoping that I misread XEP-0116 or XTLS and they provide the property I'm looking for
[02:06:39] <iamintheconference> XTLS uses Jingle, and Jingle confuses me.
[02:07:25] <ThurahT> : )
[02:08:24] <ThurahT> best would be to use native xeps for that but I don't know how many clients and such who supports that kind of encryption.
[02:08:38] <iamintheconference> native xeps?
[02:08:43] <iamintheconference> what kind of encryption?
[02:08:50] <ThurahT> the one you mentioned
[02:09:02] <iamintheconference> oh just gajim implements that xep...
[02:09:21] <iamintheconference> https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/5225
[02:09:27] <iamintheconference> seems like that xep is dying.
[02:09:36] <ThurahT> yeah, gajim is a very competent client
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