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[10:21:42] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> Facebook uses XMPP so I assume I can add buddies to my jabber buddy list and talk to my friends even though I'm not on FB. Does anybody know how I can do that? (I've tried adding fb_username@chat.facebook.com but that doesn't work)
[10:22:29] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> maybe FB just uses xmpp for chat and not for federation
[10:22:35] <Kev> No, you can't do that.
[10:22:51] <vilius> Tryggvi Björgvinsson: afaik, that's exactly the case - it does not federate
[10:23:13] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> why would they then choose xmpp? compatibility with existing clients?
[10:23:49] <vilius> I'd guess they had enough sense to not invent their own messaging protocol, though, integration with existing services was too much, sadly
[10:24:41] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> so they've created a walled garden on the web and another one on xmpp - makes me sad
[10:24:56] <vilius> even though, from the beginning internet was intended to be distributed, it seems nowadays building walled gardens (locking user in your platform) is a common way to try to secure market share
[10:25:49] <vilius> I hate that, so just don't use such services. Though, I'm afraid people like you and me are an insignificant minority...
[10:26:51] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> I remember when I started using xmpp, I had only one friend (my wife) on my buddy list for years and years... after GTalk supported xmpp I was able to add a lot of my friends to my list
[10:28:07] <aRyo> *sounds like pro gtalk*
[10:28:11] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> made me happy
[10:28:33] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> well I like gtalk more than facebook since they supported federation at least
[10:28:49] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> I was able to communicate with my friends without being forced to use their services
[10:29:20] <Alex> teh have a group for their XMPP stuff: https://www.facebook.com/groups/315869928431057/
[10:29:33] <Alex> there you can bother the developers directly
[10:30:18] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> Alex: that would mean I'd have to create a facebook account
[10:30:43] <Alex> but to me it looks like the have not enough interest at XMPP features and federation and not enough manpower
[10:30:53] <Alex> Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson: yes
[10:31:36] <aRyo> manpower = xmpp knowledge?
[10:32:19] <Alex> aRyo: I don't want to say the latter in public, but you got me ;-)
[10:32:54] <aRyo> ah ok, get your point
[10:32:55] <vilius> I imagine setting up federation (reliably, which google fails) takes effort
[10:33:33] <Alex> vilius: yes
[10:34:07] <vilius> and my view of FB is even worse: I think the obstacles aren't technical anyway, it's not in their best interests to have federation
[10:34:41] <Alex> vilius: I totally agree
[10:35:52] <Alex> there are enough guys that write multi protocol clients, and their XMPP server makes this much easier
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[10:43:07] <aRyo> afaik they both big, just like an elephant
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[10:47:34] <aRyo> instead mention their name, we can just call them like elephant1 & elephant2 while talking about them :D
[10:48:19] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> why can't we mention their names?
[10:48:50] <vilius> aRyo: yes, but one elephant is friendlier to the rest of the world (at least a shaky s2s) than the other ;)
[10:49:05] <aRyo> who said can't, i just saying who knows in the future there will be another elephant, and we can just iterate the number
[10:49:14] <Tryggvi Bj&#xF6;rgvinsson> hehe
[10:51:09] <aRyo> vilius: you're right, sometimes we saw how friendly elephant1
[10:52:45] <aRyo> but they eating too much :D
[10:54:31] <vilius> let's ask godaddy to shoot the bad elephant
[10:56:59] <aRyo> not sure if they are bulletproof or not
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[17:51:06] <w0rld> :-)
[17:52:26] <w0rld> hi!
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[22:43:34] <w0rld> Hi
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