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[02:17:10] <soom> Heh can creat sip profile with xmpp how?
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[09:27:49] <Yagiza> Hello!
[09:28:49] <Yagiza> I'd like to discuss a way of embedding large loads of data.
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[09:30:51] <Yagiza> Now we have no general way of embedding images in XHTML-formatted images with <img/> element.
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[09:55:17] <Link Mauve> There is Bits of Binary (XEP-0231), for example.
[09:55:45] <Yagiza> BOB could not be general solution.
[09:55:47] <Link Mauve> With the added benefit that clients which doesn’t support XHTML-IM or images don’t have to receive the entire data.
[09:55:55] <Link Mauve> Why that?
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[09:55:57] <Yagiza> It has really tight restrictions on data size.
[09:56:31] <Link Mauve> AFAIK, any stanza has such restrictions.
[09:56:50] <Yagiza> Link Mauve, so what?
[09:57:27] <Yagiza> Link Mauve, that's why I want to wite a XEP, which have no such restrictions.
[09:57:41] <Link Mauve> Like ibb (XEP-047)?
[09:57:51] <Yagiza> Yeah
[09:57:56] <Yagiza> But more general
[09:58:04] <Yagiza> SI-based
[09:58:05] <Kev> How much more general than IBB can you get?
[09:58:23] <Yagiza> As I just said, it will be SI-based.
[09:58:43] <Kev> So's IBB. Although Jingle's probably the better option - and there's a transport for that, too.
[09:58:43] <Link Mauve> SI will likely be replaced in some far future by JingleFT.
[09:58:47] <Yagiza> It will allow use any transport for data transfer.
[09:58:59] <Kev> So does JingleFT.
[09:59:22] <Yagiza> Link Mauve, maybe, but...
[09:59:44] <Yagiza> JingleFT cannot replace SI anyway.
[09:59:58] <Yagiza> It can replace SI FT, but not SI.
[10:00:06] <Link Mauve> So if I understand correctly, Yagiza, you want to introduce a new scheme for links in XHTML-IM to trigger a file transfert by whatever method you want?
[10:00:23] <Yagiza> Yes
[10:01:24] <Kev> Yagiza: Jingle replaces SI. Jingle FT replaces SI FT.
[10:01:35] <Yagiza> Kev, you're right.
[10:01:49] <Link Mauve> I guess reusing the cid pseudo-protocol used by BoB makes sense.
[10:03:11] <Kev> It sounds like what you want is just a reference to a file transfer that's yet to take place. A shared ID. Which is what the cid is, yes.
[10:03:43] <Yagiza> Yes, that's just what I want to sugest.
[10:03:50] <Yagiza> suggest
[10:07:27] <Yagiza> Use "cid" scheme, but instead of "@bob.xmpp.org" suffix use "@user%server/resource".
[10:07:58] <Yagiza> In other words, use escaped JID of the instance, which can provide the data.
[10:11:01] <Yagiza> Sorry, not "instance", but "entity"
[10:15:40] <Kev> And alternative cid scheme seems sensible. I don't think you need to know the full JID of the person from whom you can fetch it - that's going to be the sender, isn't it?
[10:18:27] <Yagiza> It may be any entity in general.
[10:18:50] <Yagiza> It may be sender or some other XMPP entity.
[10:19:54] <Yagiza> I don't think it's necessary to put any restrictions on data source.
[10:20:19] <Yagiza> It's up to sender to decide which who can provide data.
[10:20:54] <Link Mauve> Attention, allowing any link could lead to a kind of DDoS against the linked entity.
[10:21:01] <Yagiza> Of course, if sender is sure that any of its resources can provide the data, it may specify his bare JID instead of full JID.
[10:21:40] <Yagiza> Well...
[10:21:49] <Yagiza> We have to think about it.
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[10:24:01] <Yagiza> That's why I started discussion here before trying to write such XEP.
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