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[18:33:45] <mati> Hi, short question: when doing a legacy SSL connection (typically port 5223) what host should I connect to? the one thats indicated by the A/AAAA record or the one indicated by the xmpp-client SRV record?
[18:34:47] <Kev> I'm assuming you're doing this because you want to find if the host supports 5223, not because you're using this as the best connection method.
[18:34:59] <mati> Kev, yes, exactly
[18:35:15] <Kev> Any client that *requires* 5223 is not going to be doing SRV lookups (I assert), and will just be looking at the A.
[18:35:32] <Kev> *However*, people can still do manual host setup in lots of clients.
[18:35:48] <mati> Kev, let me refine the statement a bit
[18:36:04] <Kev> So I would have thought that, despite it not being what any clients that require 5223 would be doing, using the SRV result is your best chance of getting 5223 to work.
[18:36:12] <mati> I want to find if the server supports legacy SSL. I already know the port (because I ask for it)
[18:37:11] <mati> but I bet 99% of the clients out there use the same method
[18:37:45] <Kev> You could always do both :)
[18:40:30] <mati> I guess I will ask a few client-devs for that
[18:40:53] <mati> Kev, i.e. gajim also has a "use legacy SSL" button, which does not force you to configure a host or so
[18:41:03] <Kev> Right.
[18:41:27] <Kev> You've got two types of clients 1) Clients that are so old and broken they require 5223 2) Modern clients that allow you to force 5223 anyway
[18:41:43] <Kev> (I use '5223' to mean 'legacy protocol over a TLS/SSL socket')
[18:41:59] <Kev> Any (1) clients won't be doing SRV, and so will need the hostname to match the A.
[18:42:13] <Kev> Whereas it wouldn't surprise me if (2) will use the SRV results.
[18:42:36] <Kev> [Of course, you also have clients that don't do 5223 at all, but that's not relevant]
[18:54:12] <mati> Kev, hmm
[18:54:23] <mati> I will research a bit on what clients do :-)
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[19:32:44] <mati> Kev, one more question: Is IBR almost never/sometimes/often/always advertised as a stream feature ( http://xmpp.org/registrar/stream-features.html )?
[19:32:58] <Kev> Almost never, I imagine.
[19:33:17] <Kev> Not sure, though.
[19:33:32] <Kev> Is there a stream feature designated for it?
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[19:34:10] <Kev> Oh, yes, since 2003.
[19:34:20] <Kev> So maybe they do offer - should be easy to find a couple of servers to check against.
[19:34:35] <mati> Kev, ... thats what I'm doing right now :-)
[19:34:43] <mati> I mean: will be doing in a moment
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[19:37:10] <mati> hmm, newer ejabberd-versions seem to do it
[19:38:04] <mati> Kev, Q: do you know of a public instance of M-Link (thats what jabber.org runs, right?) that allows IBR?
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[19:38:32] <Kev> M-Link doesn't support IBR for account provisioning (jabber.org supports IBR for password changing).
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[20:14:43] <mati> Kev, is the inclusion of stream features optional? or would you consider it a bug if IBR is not advertised as stream-feature even if its in fact supported?
[20:15:34] <Kev> XEP-0077 says MAY, which is synonymous with OPTIONAL.
[20:16:20] <mati> ok, so there is no real way of telling
[20:16:53] <mati> (damn :-()
[20:18:09] <mati> Kev, or do you think I should file a bugreport with Prosody and Tigase?
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[20:22:28] <bjk> does anyone else have problems with jabber.org retaining user settings? settings like "store mesages received while offline?", etc..
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[20:55:00] <Kev> mati: I don't think it's a bug, really. You could file an enhancement request :)
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