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[04:56:28] <alexsg\40jabber.org> hi all.
[04:56:58] <alexsg\40jabber.org> who can advise, how can use MSN via jabber ?
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[08:38:46] <oleg_kaa> Hi! Any admin is here?
[08:39:43] <Kev> Partially. What's up?
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[08:45:47] <oleg_kaa> I can't delete my chat room, it's always automatically created when Psi connecting
[08:46:59] <oleg_kaa> I am tired from this bug :)
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[08:49:14] <Kev> That doesn't sound like a bug.
[08:49:27] <Kev> It sounds like you've got a bookmark that's marked to autojoin.
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[08:52:12] <oleg_kaa> thanks :)
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[08:54:24] <oleg_kaa> its work!! Thanks!
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[10:08:41] <Lokesh> How can i create public conference room that will always available to all jabber users?
[10:09:56] <niek> lokesh: As far as I am aware... you can specify a room as "persistent" in the room's configuration.
[10:10:14] <niek> At least, in most MUC implementations.
[10:11:28] <Lokesh> niek: Ok thanks.
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[13:42:33] <Kev> Anyone familiar with how Pidgin works? Someone is telling me that "the Pidgin client has a button called Image (to send images
or files).", but that it's disabled - anyone any ideas, please?
[13:44:09] <MattJ> darkrain, if he's awake
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[14:02:46] <eisenhower51847> in muc there are status codes like 100, 110, 210
[14:03:02] <eisenhower51847> why they are strings and not integers? <status code='100'/>
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[14:05:17] <MattJ> eisenhower51847, what do you mean?
[14:05:28] <MattJ> Everything in XML is a string, in a sense
[14:06:53] <eisenhower51847> can't attributes be integers?
[14:07:08] <eisenhower51847> <div width=500 height=800></div>
[14:07:22] <eisenhower51847> <div id="myid"></div>
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[14:10:28] <Hmodlove2011> ده
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[14:14:24] <MattJ> eisenhower51847, no, they are always quoted
[14:15:17] <MattJ> You're thinking of HTML, most HTML parsers accept unquoted attributes, but that doesn't make them integers
[14:15:48] <eisenhower51847> MattJ: ok
[14:15:50] <MattJ> XML is stricter than HTML, and always requires quotes
[14:16:03] <eisenhower51847> ok. didn't know that
[14:43:05] <eisenhower51847> muc presence stanzas have child element with xmlns http://jabber.org/protocol/muc or http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user
[14:43:16] <eisenhower51847> muc message stanzas have type=groupchat
[14:43:44] <eisenhower51847> wouldn't it make more sense that muc presence and message stanzas (maybe IQ too) will have consistent structure
[14:44:06] <eisenhower51847> a namespace or attribute but not once a namespace and once an attribute
[14:45:07] <MattJ> the 'type' attribute is shared between a number of message types, they are defined in the core XMPP specification because
they have different routing rules
[14:45:40] <MattJ> Although unlikely, it's possible someone would make a MUC protocol that uses type='groupchat' messages but doesn't use the
rest of MUC (and would have different namespaces)
[14:46:00] <eisenhower51847> both clients and servers can benefit from a consistent tagging of muc stanzas
[14:46:23] <eisenhower51847> and the xmlns muc is not even in the top xml element which makes it even harder to parse
[14:46:26] <MattJ> It doesn't really affect the server, that much I can say
[14:46:49] <eisenhower51847> a muc room is like a client that the server manage
[14:47:08] <MattJ> It's actually better, because the server doesn't need to look inside the stanza, it can just look at the type
[14:47:13] <eisenhower51847> it has to know that the stanza is addressed to a muc room and not a normal user
[14:47:24] <MattJ> Sure
[14:47:28] <eisenhower51847> for message stanza type=groupchat helps
[14:47:33] <MattJ> and it does, via the 'to' attribute
[14:47:44] <eisenhower51847> so it's not consistent
[14:48:06] <eisenhower51847> once you need to look at the 'to' attribute, once the type=groupchat, once the xmlns=http://jabber.org/protocol/muc
[14:48:09] <eisenhower51847> it's a mess
[14:48:20] <MattJ> Different pieces look at the different parts
[14:48:42] <MattJ> There are actually 3 different entities here... the client, the client's server, and the MUC server
[14:49:31] <eisenhower51847> how does a client knows that a stanza is a muc stanza?
[14:50:15] <MattJ> Mine typically match on the 'from' address
[14:50:16] <eisenhower51847> if the server sends all to='room@chat.host.com/nick' stanza to the muc server, why do we need the type=groupchat
[14:50:34] <MattJ> Because the client's server needs it to apply the correct routing logic
[14:50:37] <eisenhower51847> so why do you need the muc xmlns and type=groupchat
[14:50:47] <MattJ> (which is, as I said before, independent of whether the protocol is MUC)
[14:51:00] <eisenhower51847> what does a server do with type=groupchat?
[14:51:07] <eisenhower51847> different that type=chat
[14:51:14] <eisenhower51847> that/than
[14:51:19] <MattJ> For example messages of type=groupchat are never stored as offline messages
[14:51:31] <MattJ> They are never redirected to another resource if the destination resource is offline
[14:51:34] <MattJ> etc.
[14:51:51] <eisenhower51847> where is this written?
[14:51:55] <eisenhower51847> in the muc xep?
[14:52:04] <eisenhower51847> I mean how to handle groupchat messages
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[14:53:04] <MattJ> It's in the core XMPP spec
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[14:53:56] <MattJ> http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6121.html#message-syntax-type
[14:54:10] <eisenhower51847> thanks
[14:54:56] <MattJ> The routing rules for different stanza types are in section 8: http://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6121.html#rules
[14:55:18] <MattJ> (the table in 8.5 is useful)
[14:55:34] <MattJ> *8.5.4
[14:56:16] <eisenhower51847> thanks
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[20:28:33] <ThurahT> Kev: Never seen such a button at all in pidign. Not even as a keyboard shortcut. It is only available through menus as far
as I know. This is on windows though.. *cough*
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