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[14:26:55] <yagiza> Hello!
[14:27:59] <Zash> ohai
[14:28:17] <yagiza> Zash
[14:28:31] <Zash> That would be me.
[14:29:29] <yagiza> Do any1 know 'bout GEOLOC?
[14:30:15] <Zash> The XEP, the concept or something else?
[14:30:37] <yagiza> Zash, both
[14:31:00] <yagiza> I jist wantedto ask about <country/> element
[14:34:12] <yagiza> Is it supposed to be english or any language?
[14:34:39] <Link Mauve> It is supposed to have an xml:lang attribute on it.
[14:34:53] <Link Mauve> So it could be in any language, if you specify it.
[14:35:48] <yagiza> Ok, thanx!
[14:36:00] <Zash> And use <countrycode/> for machine readability
[14:36:51] <yagiza> Yea, I'm aware 'bout country code
[14:36:56] <Zash> yagiza: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html#i18n
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[15:32:04] <smoku@xiaoka.com> hi.
[15:32:18] <yagiza> smoku@xiaoka.com
[15:32:38] <smoku@xiaoka.com> does anyone know whether negative priority sessions should be considered when responding to presence-probe ?
[15:33:07] <Kev> Without checking 6121, I believe they should.
[15:34:28] <smoku@xiaoka.com> so I need to check RFC and fix the code then :)
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[16:07:59] <smoku@xiaoka.com> I4.3.2. Server Processing of Inbound Presence Probe f there is a resource matching the full JID and the probing entity has authorization via a presence subscription to see the contact's presence, then the server MUST return an available presence notification, which SHOULD communicate only the fact that the resource is available (not detailed information such as the <show/>, <status/>, <priority/>, or presence extensions).
[16:08:17] <smoku@xiaoka.com> why not the full presence stanza of the resource?
[16:09:22] <Kev> I have no idea.
[16:13:28] <Hermitifier> That seems useful.
[16:14:07] <Hermitifier> If you want to have periodic check of your roster, but without triggering any extension attached to presence.
[16:14:30] <Hermitifier> Still, that doesn't answer "why"
[16:15:02] <Zash> to lazy to keep a roster?
[16:15:38] <Hermitifier> Prevent ghost "=online" contacts.
[16:15:55] <Hermitifier> /s/=//
[16:16:57] <Zash> Huh?
[16:18:22] <Zash> I don't see how that would do anything with ghosts
[16:18:51] <Zash> if a resource goes offline, that would be broadcast
[16:19:14] <Florob> well, if it was successfully broadcast they'd hardly be ghosts ;)
[16:19:15] <Zash> or do you want to check for downed servers or broken s2s?
[16:19:43] <Florob> But still... smacks.
[16:19:54] <Hermitifier> What if the broadcast got lost, but server is up already?
[16:22:38] <Florob> Broadcasts don't get lost. At least not often enough to periodically do a bunch of presence probes.
[16:23:22] <Florob> Especially since the devices they probably get lost on most often are the most bandwith constrained ones
[16:30:30] <smoku@xiaoka.com> Hermitifier: are you talking about client initiated probes?
[16:31:01] <Hermitifier> smoku@xiaoka.com: yes.
[16:31:19] <smoku@xiaoka.com> IIRC this is forbidden. only server is allowed to generate probes
[16:31:43] <Hermitifier> I think it was "not recommended".
[16:31:44] <Kev> Client probes don't serve any purpose for detecting lost broadcasts.
[16:32:29] <Hermitifier> (I use them anyway to work around privacy lists quirks)
[16:33:48] <Kev> SHOULD NOT.
[16:34:56] <smoku@xiaoka.com> directed probes are usefull with conjuction to full jid on roster. when you are interested in only one resource of the contact
[16:35:23] <smoku@xiaoka.com> or only some, not every resource the contact may have
[16:36:12] <smoku@xiaoka.com> but it puzzles me why server should hide the resource presence data
[16:36:29] <Kev> Me too. I don't remember a discussion about this in the WG.
[16:39:15] <smoku@xiaoka.com> maybe to enforce that the top priority presence data is "the presence" you should consider
[16:49:06] <smoku@xiaoka.com> anyway, I just implemented it in jabberd2 :)
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