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[12:02:38] <Aviator> louiz’: hey
[12:02:54] <louiz’> hey
[12:03:12] <Aviator> louiz’: are you a developer?
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[12:06:34] <Aviator> ThurahT: Hey
[12:06:41] <louiz’> yes
[12:06:49] <louiz’> what do you want?
[12:07:08] <Aviator> louiz’: ah, I'm just asking
[12:09:50] <louiz’> ok
[12:09:52] <Aviator> louiz’: Jabber isn't popular in France right
[12:10:26] <louiz’> Not that much, no
[12:11:35] <Aviator> louiz’: which one is, then?
[12:12:01] <louiz’> which one what?
[12:12:20] <Aviator> louiz’: which service is popular then?
[12:12:51] <louiz’> facebook ?
[12:16:45] <Aviator> louiz’: hmm, what about IM?
[12:17:20] <louiz’> there’s an IM in facebook, and that’s what most french people use, I think
[12:17:30] <louiz’> Well, not sure, since I do not use it
[12:17:52] <Aviator> louiz’: Oh...
[12:18:19] <Aviator> louiz’: there's a stereotype that, French people are romantic
[12:18:44] <louiz’> well, they aren’t
[12:18:56] <louiz’> but maybe other people are even less romantic
[12:19:01] <louiz’> don’t know
[12:19:11] <Aviator> louiz’: :-D esp Paris, the city of romance
[12:19:15] <Aviator> They say
[12:19:40] <louiz’> this city sucks
[12:19:46] <louiz’> Like any other big city
[12:19:55] <Aviator> :-) really
[12:21:06] <Aviator> And French luxury stuff are famous
[12:21:41] <louiz’> possibly
[12:23:14] <Aviator> louiz’: French food are also famous
[12:23:33] <louiz’> yeah, I know
[12:23:39] <Aviator> Maybe because that you're a French, you don't feel that
[12:23:52] <louiz’> or because that’s just untrue
[12:24:11] <Aviator> ))
[12:24:12] <louiz’> or maybe only in restaurants where you pay 300€ for a meal
[12:24:37] <Aviator> It's expensive, indeed
[12:25:17] <Aviator> But I can't comment on them, since it's blank in my mine about France
[12:25:21] <Aviator> *mind
[12:25:34] <Aviator> But others speak highly of it
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[15:42:31] <Soulmate> My best wishes to you St.Peter. Hopeu in good health & spirits
[15:42:49] <louiz’> what is with psa?
[15:43:15] <stpeter> Soulmate: thank you, and hello :)
[15:43:31] <louiz’> hello :)
[15:43:37] <drасо> stpeter: is today your birthday?
[15:43:46] <stpeter> it is not my birthday :)
[15:43:49] <louiz’> are you sick?
[15:44:05] <Soulmate> Hope not
[15:44:28] <stpeter> I am quite well
[15:44:46] <stpeter> louiz’: Soulmate is just being friendly, as he always is :)
[15:45:15] <louiz’> ah, ok :D
[15:45:50] <Soulmate> Oh...! Sorry Loiuz giving such impression. Actually I came to this room after looooooog time thats why I asked his well being
[15:46:03] <louiz’> ok :)
[15:46:33] <drасо> Welcome back Soulmate :-)
[15:46:44] <Soulmate> Thanks
[15:48:11] <stpeter> Soulmate is one of the warmest, friendliest people you will ever meet :)
[15:48:37] <Soulmate> Thats magnanimous of you
[15:49:31] <Soulmate> And I was the only member perhaps who is a Cost Accountant and visits this technical room
[15:50:15] <Soulmate> All 'coz of people who created interest in me and were patient enough to answer my stupid questions
[15:50:51] <stpeter> :)
[15:51:10] <drасо> Where are you from Soulmate?
[15:51:28] <Soulmate> India
[15:52:25] <drасо> Soulmate: nice to meet you, i'm from indonesia :-)
[15:53:12] <Soulmate> And believe me whenever I come across people who've some interest in computers I try to enlighten them about Jabber and speak about St Peter, MattJ, Kev Squidly Naw. I know u Draco
[15:54:35] <drасо> Soulmate: you're a good person
[15:54:54] <Soulmate> Generous of u
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[16:11:39] <Soulmate> Good night all. Take Care. Bye
[16:11:46] <ThurahT> Bye
[16:11:58] <ThurahT> Nice seeing the log after you
[16:11:59] <drасо> Bye
[16:12:06] <Soulmate> Thanks
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[16:12:34] <ThurahT> just came in, appears to be a great guy : )
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[18:35:12] <سـל°ـ☺ـنيـ☺ــל°ـور> helllo
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[19:08:25] <louiz’> hello
[19:18:31] <ThurahT> seriously.. M$ and xmpp??
[19:18:57] <ThurahT> well.. now I have seen it all..
[19:31:11] <naw> but it will be only an xmpp interface, like the one from facebook, right?
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[19:48:21] <★> Came here to ask about MS+XMPP as well :)
[19:50:20] <stpeter> ThurahT :)
[19:50:30] <stpeter> there's some discussion on the standards@xmpp.org list
[19:50:40] <stpeter> it seems that some people haven't been able to get it to work
[19:50:50] <stpeter> I don't know the details
[19:51:03] <stpeter> naw: step 1 is an interface
[19:51:15] <stpeter> naw: but yes, it's not that their code will be natively XMPP
[19:51:36] <stpeter> (in fact they've had server-to-server gateway code for a while now, at least in their corporate software)
[19:51:38] <stpeter> brb
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[19:59:13] <★> So what exactly does it mean for an end user? Can I talk to someone using msn from my jabber account?
[20:02:58] <stpeter> I don't think we know for sure yet, but this seems to be more for developers than end users right now
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[20:08:34] <YASER> مرحبا
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[20:09:05] <★> I'm guessing it has something to do with http://skypejournal.com/blog/2011/06/28/new-skype-beta-uses-im-interop-code/
[20:09:46] <stpeter> quite possibly
[20:10:05] <stpeter> however, it appears that Microsoft doesn't have server-to-server federation enabled there yet
[20:10:40] <stpeter> however, a lot of this might be speculation right now, because they've announced some things but that doesn't mean they've rolled it all out -- you know how those marketing people are... ;-)
[20:11:00] <Tobias> yeah..those crazy marketing ppl
[20:11:04] <stpeter> :)
[20:13:24] <★> Seems reasonable for Microsoft to want to connect Skype with MSN when they buy Skype. I won't get my hopes up about federation support though. Probably walled in like Facebook.
[20:13:45] <stpeter> at least at the beginning, yes that is what I would expect
[20:14:08] <stpeter> I like to keep my expectations low -- that way I am pleasantly surprised sometimes :)
[20:15:12] <stpeter> BTW I pinged one of my contacts at Microsoft so perhaps they will engage a bit more on the list (although here again I'm keeping my expectations low)
[20:15:24] <★> What's the status on e2e encryption? I remember discussion about TLSand last I checked a new version of OTR looked promising.
[20:15:44] <stpeter> I continue to think that OTR is the way to go
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[20:26:01] <stpeter> I've talked with the OTR team and even started working on an Internet-Draft, but I need to re-engage with them
[20:26:08] <stpeter> /me fires off an email
[20:39:04] <ThurahT> oh yes of course.. Skype and M$.. I forgot about that.
[20:39:45] <ThurahT> stpeter: Will otr be the new encryption method?
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[20:47:15] <stpeter> ThurahT: maybe
[20:47:28] <stpeter> I've been working a bit with the OTR folks
[20:47:44] <stpeter> but it's too early to say that OTR will be the new (and I hope final) e2e method
[20:47:58] <Tobias> muahaha..final :D
[20:49:56] <ThurahT> alright.. I use the otr plugin for pidgin.. Works very well.
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[21:11:45] <★> Mickaël Rémond on MS+XMPP https://plus.google.com/u/1/111080072000009739838/posts/gBRWiKAFXZZ
[21:12:02] <stpeter> Tobias: well, I hope it will be final because I don't want to keep having these discussions 10 years from now :)
[21:12:27] <Tobias> stpeter, but has any of those protocols been ever final?
[21:13:14] <★> I second that. I've been looking forward to usable E2E encryption for ages.
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[21:14:04] <★> Tobias, there's PGP and Esessions used by Gajim (and no one else as far as I know) but PGP isn't really suited for this. So there are a few options but not one really good yet.
[21:19:48] <stpeter> I'm sure Tobias is aware of the problems with existing proposals :)
[21:22:32] <ThurahT> ★: that link you sent linked to some great stuff. TextOne.. Really smart.
[21:23:10] <★> stpeter, oh I see now he's a mod :)
[21:23:33] <stpeter> and his presence status says "codin'" :)
[21:25:06] <★> Well darkrains status says "But it's plain to see, evil inside of me is on the rise..." but I don't think that gives him any insight into the news about Microsoft ;)
[21:25:43] <stpeter> /me laughs
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[23:59:46] <emkersyt> hi everyone, i'd like to ask a question about a problem i have with my jabber account
[00:00:09] <emkersyt> i can't erase some old contacts which aren't in use anymore
[00:00:43] <emkersyt> i tried several times with different clients and systems
[00:01:06] <emkersyt> but they keep reappearing after a while
[00:01:41] <emkersyt> anyone could point me towards how to fix it?
[00:01:47] <ThurahT> that's odd. which server is this?
[00:01:53] <emkersyt> jabber.org
[00:02:40] <emkersyt> i think it is just one or two contacts i added 2 years ago
[00:02:47] <ThurahT> ok. stpeter would probably know. Maybe he'll check in later on.
[00:02:48] <emkersyt> they got never authorized
[00:02:57] <emkersyt> cool, thanks
[00:03:41] <ThurahT> so, they fell in between so to say?
[00:04:17] <emkersyt> yes, i think the owners of these accounts never really used them
[00:04:30] <emkersyt> now they are kind of stuck in my contact list
[00:04:42] <ThurahT> but they sent an authrequest?
[00:04:44] <emkersyt> never contacts can be deletet
[00:05:05] <ThurahT> k
[00:05:06] <emkersyt> no, they probably don't even know that i requested them a while ago
[00:05:40] <emkersyt> i added them, they never responded and i forgot about it
[00:06:15] <emkersyt> but now i using my jabber account quite a lot so i want to get rid of unused contacts
[00:06:50] <ThurahT> I see. Weird indeed. And you said you have tried different clients
[00:06:58] <ThurahT> but with no result
[00:07:13] <emkersyt> yes, pidgon and adium and kopete also
[00:07:24] <emkersyt> no way
[00:07:54] <emkersyt> i thought i was a general bug but i couldn't find anything on the net
[00:08:05] <emkersyt> so i suppose it is just a problem with my account
[00:08:22] <ThurahT> It would seem that way.
[00:09:07] <ThurahT> and they reappear as soon as you reconnect or after a while when connected?
[00:09:25] <emkersyt> it takes some minutes
[00:09:31] <emkersyt> but not much longer
[00:09:39] <ThurahT> okey.
[00:10:07] <emkersyt> i erased them like a hundred times just to check out and be sure :)
[00:11:06] <emkersyt> they are stiff-necked
[00:13:11] <ThurahT> I could add them and check if I can erase them..
[00:13:24] <emkersyt> yes, would be nice of you
[00:13:37] <emkersyt> it is leo@sindomino
[00:13:58] <ThurahT> but probably it's tied to you specific account and it got glitched..
[00:14:27] <emkersyt> probably
[00:14:52] <ThurahT> sindomino.?
[00:15:14] <emkersyt> yes
[00:15:40] <emkersyt> it's a spanish server i think
[00:16:19] <ThurahT> so it is .es ? you see with out a domain it is an invalid jid
[00:16:30] <emkersyt> the other one strangely disappeared for the moment but i'm not really convinced that it might not come back
[00:16:55] <emkersyt> let me see
[00:17:02] <ThurahT> I mean domain ending
[00:17:17] <emkersyt> i think it is 'net'
[00:17:49] <emkersyt> leo@sindominio.net
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[00:21:48] <ThurahT> well.. it wasn't any magically with that jid here at my end. I was kind of hoping it would reappear though..
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[00:22:35] <emkersyt> yes, it's is most likely a problem with my account...
[00:22:42] <ThurahT> yea.
[00:22:54] <emkersyt> can stpeter fix that?
[00:23:00] <emkersyt> or anyone else?
[00:23:24] <ThurahT> stpeter or Kev that I know of.
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[00:24:11] <emkersyt> ok, they are both not around if i see that right
[00:24:58] <ThurahT> well I guess stpeter is preoccupied with something and Kev is not in right now.
[00:25:07] <ThurahT> I gtg. good luck with your ghost buddies. : )
[00:25:16] <emkersyt> hahaha
[00:25:21] <emkersyt> thanks :)
[00:25:36] <Aviator> emkersyt: hey
[00:25:39] <emkersyt> yes
[00:26:02] <Aviator> emkersyt: I may have the same problem
[00:26:26] <Aviator> emkersyt: the messages show again and again, right?
[00:26:27] <emkersyt> with the same contact or you've got your own ghost buddies
[00:26:54] <emkersyt> i don't have any messages there because these contacts are not used
[00:27:01] <emkersyt> it's just the contact in the list
[00:27:13] <Aviator> emkersyt: Oh
[00:27:19] <Aviator> Different cases
[00:27:47] <emkersyt> yeah
[00:28:12] <emkersyt> good luck with your ghost messages
[00:28:56] <Aviator> emkersyt: )) thanks
[00:29:37] <Aviator> and, Peter is busy now
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[00:30:34] <emkersyt> thanks, i'll try later or tomorrow
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