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[06:30:48] <Jeff~> hi
[06:38:29] <Jeff~> anyone use xabber
[06:44:02] <Jeff~> mattj
[06:44:26] <Jeff~> I can't see the user list:(
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[07:00:19] <Kev> That sounds more likely to be a xabber bug than anything else.
[07:02:17] <Jeff~> yeah after a little more research it seems xabber doesn't support that
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[15:04:54] <invokemobile> hello
[15:05:01] <Kev> Hello.
[15:05:27] <invokemobile> How come I dont get the roster list?
[15:05:48] <Kev> A little more detail, please :)
[15:06:00] <Kev> What exactly is wrong, with what client, etc.
[15:06:35] <invokemobile> ok :) I've made a client. using jabber-net. I'm conneting to gmail.com and I can see all my friends list in the roster tree I've added
[15:06:51] <invokemobile> but, connecting to jabber.org, not list recieved...
[15:07:07] <Kev> Dump the XML trace in a pastebin somewher and I'll take a look.
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[15:09:10] <invokemobile> I dont think I get the the XML trace..I have rm_OnRosterEnd which gives me RosterManager rm1 = (RosterManager)sender
[15:09:29] <invokemobile> and rm1.count is 0
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[15:10:04] <Kev> It should be possible to ask the library to get you the XML it's sending/receiving somehow. Without that it'll be very hard to debug.
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[15:17:34] <invokemobile> can't find a way :( stiill looking..
[15:21:17] <invokemobile> btw. am I supposed to get the users in this room also?
[15:22:26] <Kev> Yes.
[15:22:46] <Kev> This does work ok ;)
[15:23:18] <invokemobile> google talk works, facebook works but not when connecting to jabber.org
[15:23:56] <Kev> Get me the XML and I'll (probably) tell you why.
[15:24:27] <invokemobile> I know you will :) I just can't figure it out how to do so
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[16:11:24] <invokemobile> ok I got the xml where can I paste it?
[16:11:39] <Kev> pastie.org?
[16:12:38] <invokemobile> http://pastie.org/2345605
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[16:15:24] <Kev> It's never connecting.
[16:15:45] <Kev> Your client should be authenticating at that point, and isn't.
[16:15:57] <invokemobile> what do you mean? I opened 2 clients and I was able to send messages between them
[16:16:11] <Kev> Oh, sorry.
[16:16:17] <Kev> You've pasted in reverse order.
[16:16:28] <invokemobile> ohh ooops :)
[16:17:13] <invokemobile> you need me to fix it?
[16:17:17] <Kev> No.
[16:17:33] <Kev> You're also only pasting the stanzas the server sends, not the stanzas you send, but that's okay too.
[16:17:43] <Kev> So, it looks like the server *is* sending you your roster, and that your roster is empty.
[16:18:18] <Kev> Which I've just confirmed on the server.
[16:18:46] <invokemobile> I know but it's not supposed to be empty like I said i'm connected with 2 clients and the messages are working
[16:19:04] <invokemobile> I can give you the two users
[16:19:36] <Kev> Sure, but invoketest's roster is empty.
[16:19:44] <Kev> I've checked on the server.
[16:19:48] <Kev> So you've not added anyone to it :)
[16:19:54] <invokemobile> I got invokemobile and invoketest
[16:20:14] <invokemobile> what do you mean by added..?
[16:20:32] <invokemobile> ohhh I need to add a user ?? like on google talk?
[16:21:06] <Kev> You need to add a user to your roster if you expect there to be users in your roster, yes...
[16:21:18] <Kev> You don't need to add them to be able to talk to them, unlike Google Talk.
[16:21:31] <invokemobile> so it's like a users list
[16:21:46] <Kev> The roster is a list of contacts, yes.
[16:22:10] <invokemobile> ohhh that's makes sense.. :)
[16:22:40] <Kev> You've not read http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596521271 ;)
[16:22:45] <invokemobile> Thanks alot!!!
[16:23:09] <invokemobile> I'm very new at this
[16:23:49] <Kev> You're welcome.
[16:23:50] <invokemobile> may I ask how many servers jabber.org has?
[16:24:46] <Kev> Do you mean "upon how many physical machines does it run" or "how many servers does it federate with"?
[16:24:59] <invokemobile> physical
[16:25:10] <Kev> One, at the moment.
[16:25:21] <Kev> We should get around to clustering it at some point.
[16:25:46] <invokemobile> so how many users can it server at the same time if it's only one?
[16:25:57] <invokemobile> *serve
[16:26:12] <Kev> The highest I've seen logged in at once is about 18000 users and connected to about 3000 other servers, I think.
[16:26:52] <invokemobile> so if I want to build a chat for 100k users I must use my own servers like gmail.com and not use jabber.org?
[16:28:58] <vilpan> in what sense is gmail.com your "own" server?
[16:29:39] <Kev> If you want to build a chat for 100k users, you would be running your own server, yes.
[16:29:52] <Kev> I work for a company who'd be happy to sell you one, I'm sure :)
[16:30:06] <Tobias> or you can use one of the open source ones ;)
[16:30:15] <Kev> Sure.
[16:30:53] <invokemobile> I mean a physical server
[16:31:25] <Kev> You'd need server software running on a physical box, yes (or probably serveral boxes).
[16:31:58] <invokemobile> and where can I find the server code for it?
[16:32:13] <invokemobile> like the one on jabber.org which I'm connecting to
[16:32:28] <Kev> The one on jabber.org is commercial, from http://isode.com
[16:33:12] <Kev> There's a very good free one called Prosody as well, at http://prosody.im, although that doesn't support clustering, so I don't know if it'll reach 100,000 concurrent users with things like TLS and compression enabled. Tobias might know.
[16:34:56] <invokemobile> so one server could handle something like 18000 users?
[16:36:38] <Link Mauve> invokemobile, no one could tell you numbers like that.
[16:36:55] <Link Mauve> You have to do some benchmarks.
[16:37:03] <invokemobile> ok
[16:38:18] <Link Mauve> And do you really plan to have 100000+ concurrent users from the beginning?
[16:39:01] <Kev> invokemobile: How many you can get depends on what the users are doing on the server.
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[16:46:37] <Tobias> if you have a machine with enough RAM 100000k shoudn't be a problem
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[16:47:17] <Kev> You do need around 30gig for that, though, if you want TLS and compression with default stuffs, though, I think.
[16:47:24] <Tobias> especially with encryption..TLS is quite memory hungry
[16:48:07] <Kev> (Excluding any memory cost for the service itself)
[16:48:35] <Tobias> http://ayena.de/files/prosody_memory-0.8rc1.png <-- one could estimate values for 100k users based on that
[16:49:50] <Tobias> so for 100k concurrent connection, none encrypted or compressed, you'd need around 7 GB RAM :)
[16:49:53] <Kev> 42gigish (very rough maths)
[16:50:35] <Tobias> 42 gig?
[16:50:47] <Kev> Extrapolating out assuming you want compression as well.
[16:51:23] <Kev> (250 meg for 600 users, so that works out at about 42gig for 100,000 users)
[16:51:46] <Link Mauve> Kev, you didn't read the legend, did you? ^^
[16:52:00] <Kev> Link Mauve: I did.
[16:52:11] <Kev> Link Mauve: Only one of those is labelled as having both TLS and compression.
[16:52:17] <Tobias> right :)
[16:52:25] <Tobias> the other two don't have compression
[16:52:45] <Link Mauve> Tobias, why weren't there compression in the two other?
[16:53:07] <Tobias> Link Mauve, we wanted to find out the minimal footprint for encrypted connections :)
[16:53:09] <Kev> Compression's the most expensive bit.
[16:53:19] <Kev> 300k/user or so, if I remember Dave's numbers.
[16:53:55] <Tobias> Kev, do you have stats on jabber.org? how many clients are connected with TLS, non-TLS, with TLS compression, with stream compression?
[16:53:57] <Link Mauve> Tobias, it would have been useful to have old LuaSec w/o compression, and new LuaSec w/ compression too.
[16:54:22] <Kev> Tobias: I don't.
[16:54:28] <Tobias> k
[16:55:14] <Tobias> Link Mauve, depends on what you want to test for
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[20:02:38] <bush2148> hi there could somebody tell me please what i have to type in resource?
[20:03:43] <Kev> Nothing.
[20:05:35] <bush2148> and when i created a jabber account what kind of protocol should i take in pidgin?
[20:05:49] <Kev> Either Jabber or XMPP, depending what it offers.
[20:06:26] <bush2148> k thx
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[23:36:55] <TrueBers> hi! I've a problem with presence of some contacts in roster. These contacts not visible in roster (offline), offline msgs doesn't recieve. Subscription is in both directions. I've tried to unsubscribe/subscribe again, but have the same problem. Any ideas?
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