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[15:30:48] <alkino> pc
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[20:49:03] <Nicolas> Hi, I don't know if I'm at the right place, but for some time now, I have a technical issue with a specific contact
[20:49:19] <Nicolas> she's using a gmail account, and I'm using jabber.belnet.be
[20:49:52] <Nicolas> the issue is simple: I don't receive any presence stanzas
[20:50:29] <Nicolas> I have that contact in my contact list of my gmail account too, and there is no such issue there
[20:51:57] <Nicolas> So, i was wondering if it's something known with s2s handling from google, or if it's only a specific bug with my xmpp provider (jabber.belnet.be)
[20:52:57] <Zash> I've heard people complain about gtalk issues in a few places lately, perhaps they changed something
[20:53:03] <Zash> Nicolas: Do you have access to server logs?
[20:53:13] <Nicolas> no
[20:54:07] <Nicolas> actually that could be something related to the autorizations I think
[20:54:17] <Nicolas> because I had some problems with it in the past
[20:54:34] <Nicolas> but in gajim it all looks clean from that viewpoint
[20:56:54] <Nicolas> ok, so I assume I'll have to ask the servers administrators if I really want an improvement :p
[20:57:21] <Nicolas> I was asking, just in case it was a known issue
[20:57:44] <Nicolas> thanks
[20:58:19] <Zash> As I said, I've seen a few people complain about gtalk issues latley
[20:59:27] <Nicolas> yep, actually i am complaining a lot about gtalk, and it has not been only lately :D
[21:02:22] <Nicolas> hey, actually we've just made some progress \o/
[21:04:11] <Nicolas> the presence stanzas still dont arrive, but the status is updated when she tries to autorize me again to see her status
[21:04:24] <Nicolas> so it has something to do with it
[21:06:40] <Zash> Hm, could it be that they require SRV records?
[21:06:51] <Zash> jabber.belnet.be doesn't have any
[21:07:38] <Zash> http://twitter.com/#!/lucasdicioccio/status/98349099232919554
[21:08:42] <stpeter> I don't think they require SRV records
[21:08:51] <stpeter> (they = google)
[21:10:16] <Zash> Alternate theory: gtalk and/or ejabberd doing funky stuff
[21:11:06] <stpeter> 'cept jabber.org doesn't run ejabberd anymore
[21:11:18] <stpeter> and we haven't changed our software in a while, but the s2s issues are recent
[21:11:54] <Zash> stpeter: <Nicolas> So, i was wondering if it's something known with s2s handling from google, or if it's only a specific bug with my xmpp provider (jabber.belnet.be)
[21:12:22] <stpeter> I think it's probably more general problem
[21:12:26] <stpeter> brb
[21:12:40] <Zash> If people are having issues with jabber.org too, then it's more a problem on the g-end
[21:13:15] <Nicolas> yes
[21:13:32] <Nicolas> I've already seen things about that
[21:14:00] <Nicolas> like http://www.rfc1149.net/blog/2008/11/20/the-google-xmpp-mess/ or http://linuxfr.org/users/ploum/journaux/f%C3%A9d%C3%A9rer-son-serveur-jabber-avec-google-talk
[21:14:18] <Nicolas> with the DNS records and all that stuff
[21:15:23] <Nicolas> but for this specific problem it doenst look like networking issues
[21:15:27] <Zash> Oh right, they have weird DNS caching policies too
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[21:15:58] <Nicolas> rather like they have a different policy for the contact/authorizations management
[21:16:51] <Nicolas> which is understandable, with their constraints with all their services integrating gtalk
[21:18:31] <Nicolas> about that, anybody have an idea of what they could be up to with google+ ? They say that they are working on a solution where the contacts cant see each other email address in their integrated gtalk
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[21:19:12] <Nicolas> isnt it a threat for their xmpp support ?
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[21:24:02] <Zash> And ISPs doing bad stuff too?
[21:24:08] <Zash> :(
[21:24:13] <stpeter> which ISPs?
[21:25:39] <Zash> Links pasted by nicolas suggest ISPs are dropping connections to port != 80
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[21:26:43] <stpeter> oh
[21:26:45] <stpeter> hmph
[21:26:56] <stpeter> well, 80 is the one port to bind them all, I suppose :)
[21:27:52] <Zash> HTTP is the new TCP/IP :(
[21:27:58] <stpeter> exactly!
[21:28:02] <Tobias> sadly
[21:28:10] <stpeter> well, HTTP is the new IP, and WebSocket is the new TCP ;-)
[21:28:21] <Tobias> especially for mubile devices it seems
[21:28:22] <Nicolas> Zash: not too fast, OVH is not really an ISP
[21:28:43] <Tobias> *mobile
[21:29:07] <Nicolas> and that could be misconfiguration from ploum (who is reporting that)
[21:29:20] <Zash> Nicolas: Information related to '91.121.0.0/16AS16276 ... descr: OVH ISP
[21:30:37] <Nicolas> OVH provides dedicated servers
[21:30:55] <Zash> Do they also provide Internet to those servers?
[21:30:55] <Tobias> so it's an ISP
[21:31:20] <Nicolas> ok, seen like that :p
[21:31:30] <Tobias> well..Internet Server Provider :9
[21:31:48] <Zash> just not in the "ISP'ing to consumers" sense
[21:32:10] <Tobias> thos ISPs with dedicated servers don't have customers?
[21:32:15] <Tobias> ;)
[21:32:17] <Tobias> *so
[21:32:55] <Zash> end-user consumers in their homes* then?
[21:33:19] <Tobias> yeah :)
[21:33:46] <Nicolas> but, anyway, you cant say that a large company with a lot of employees connected to the internet and a lot of servers, is an ISP
[21:34:20] <Nicolas> I mean, the notion of ISP implies that they are linked to an internet backbone
[21:34:35] <Nicolas> but its certainly the case for OVH, anyway
[21:35:07] <Zash> Did we just descend into arguing about the definition of ISP? :)
[21:35:20] <Tobias> you're welcome
[21:36:10] <Zash> "Inspectors of Strategic Products" wth
[21:37:12] <stpeter> :)
[21:40:08] <Nicolas> yeah, time to go to bed
[21:40:13] <Nicolas> :p
[21:40:15] <Nicolas> Bye
[21:40:17] <Zash> gn
[21:40:19] <Tobias> n8
[21:40:20] <Nicolas> and thank you
[21:40:26] <Nicolas> u2
[21:40:26] <stpeter> sure thing!
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