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[10:25:28] <Zash> http://xmpp.org/xmpp-protocols/xmpp-core/ refers to the old RFCs stil
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[14:31:12] <stpeter> Zash: strange, I had edited that page but it seems that I never published it
[14:31:27] <stpeter> fixed now
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[14:56:52] <theozaurus> Hey, just working through adding affiliation modifications support for MUC on a library and noticed it isn't possible to request
all of the different types of affiliations in one go. Clients need to request each list one by one. What's the rationale behind
this?
[14:58:07] <dwd> I'm not sure there is a rationale, as such. Why would you want to?
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[14:58:47] <dwd> I mean, you *can*, of course, request all the lists at once, just send off four stanzas.
[14:59:23] <theozaurus> dwd: Ah, just one stanza with several item nodes?
[15:00:16] <theozaurus> dwd: It's useful from the libraries point of view as it has no knowledge about how it is currently configured, and the next
step will be to adjust those affiliations.
[15:00:50] <dwd> Well, I don't know if you can send a get with multiple <item/>s, but you can certainly send four stanzas without waiting for
the responses.
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[15:03:41] <theozaurus> dwd: It appears at least on ejabberd you can send lots of items, but you will only get a result back for the first item in
the list.
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[15:04:06] <dwd> theozaurus, It's quite possibly the same for my implementation - I honestly haven't looked.
[15:04:29] <dwd> theozaurus, But it's virtually the same as sending four <iq/> stanzas, so I don't see the problem.
[15:04:44] <dwd> MattJ, What does Prosody do, out of curiosity?
[15:04:54] <theozaurus> dwd: My transport is pretty slow so I like to keep the stanzas down
[15:04:56] <darkrain_> dwd: Does M-Link 14.6a6 (version running on j.o) not support retreiving PEP items?
[15:05:20] <dwd> darkrain_, Explicitly via pubsub? Probably not.
[15:05:23] <MattJ> dwd, what are we talking about exactly?
[15:05:42] <MattJ> I thought affiliations were managed with dataforms
[15:05:48] <darkrain_> Hmm, OK.
[15:05:49] <MattJ> *could be
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[15:07:09] <dwd> darkrain_, R15.0 will do. (Or certainly should). It should have pretty much full XEP-0060 on the PEP services.
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[15:07:47] <dwd> MattJ, No, they're managed with funky <item/> things: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#revokeowner
[15:07:59] <darkrain_> Okily dokily. (I noticed Pidgin unable to retrieve User Avatar data nodes, hence the question)
[15:08:05] <dwd> MattJ, But the examples only show a single item in a get at a time.
[15:08:29] <theozaurus> MattJ, When you configure a room you can specify owners and admins using a dataform, but in general it is dealt with using
muc#admin iq's
[15:09:03] <MattJ> in a get? You can request the affiliation of a JID manually?
[15:09:06] <dwd> theozaurus, Hmmm. No, even on room configuration, it's done using muc#admin <iq/> stanzas.
[15:09:24] <dwd> MattJ, No, you can request all jids matching a certain affiliation.
[15:09:31] <MattJ> I see
[15:10:03] <dwd> MattJ, Have I fallen into a parallel universe where you don't know XMPP anymore? :-)
[15:10:22] <MattJ> No, but I might have done
[15:10:34] <MattJ> MUC is my favourite XEP too
[15:10:37] <dwd> MattJ, Taking up heavy drinking not working out for you?
[15:10:51] <MattJ> Well, I have a favourite XEP, so you can't be far from the right universe
[15:11:49] <MattJ> !xep 201
[15:11:53] <MattJ> sigh
[15:11:58] <MattJ> Must fix that soon
[15:12:02] <darkrain_> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0201.html
[15:12:08] <MattJ> Merci
[15:12:16] <dwd> MattJ, That darkrain_ bot is good.
[15:12:22] <theozaurus> The library I'm working on is designed to be used within in a webapp. To enable support for non evented servers I have a very
simple and dumb external service to manage the connection. This means the webapp can say "build me a muc room", and not worry
about maintaining a connection. However in this case the unfortunate side effect is that each request will block until a response
has been received. Which is why I'm keen to do it in one hit.
[15:12:24] <MattJ> darkrain_, can you join council@muc.xmpp.org? :)
[15:12:31] <deryni> Do none of you have an xep shortcut url in your browsers?
[15:12:41] <darkrain_> I just use HAL. :)
[15:12:52] <MattJ> deryni, nope - my browser usage is... "interesting"
[15:12:54] <dwd> I find that typing "XEP-0045" into my browser goes straight there.
[15:13:06] <deryni> dwd: There's that too.
[15:13:13] <dwd> deryni, He hasn't found a browser written in LUA yet.
[15:13:55] <dwd> MattJ, OK - first you forget MUC, now you don't correct my "LUA". Who are you and what have you done with MattJ?
[15:14:00] <deryni> luakit just isn't there yet. Go figure that writing a browser is hard.
[15:14:01] <darkrain_> dwd: http://luakit.org/projects/luakit/? :)
[15:15:03] <MattJ> dwd, the alien invasion has begun
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